Triniti Clutch Problem/Karma?

[clanzkiller]

Erm, i need to ask a few question regarding triniti clutch on a satria gsr..as well as abit on gearbox..

first of all, here are some of the details that might be needed to make my statement more clearer..Previously i was using valeo clutch and satria 1.5gb and i've change to 4wd evo gb lock 2wd, 9' flywheel and triniti 6 puck racing clutch...the gearbox, driveshaft, flywheel is all halfcut condition while the clutch is new...

and after the installation and testing, i've found out that there is 2 new sound coming out from my engine..

1.First scenario..when i on my aircon, and idling, there wil be a 'tak tak tak' sound consequently follow by my cam settings, and when i idling rev it at 1.5k, the sound disappear, or when i press my clutch, the sound disappear too...when w/o aircon, the sound sometimes wil appear and sometimes wil not.

2.Second scenario..Let's say i'm on maintaining 3rd gear...and i slowly slowly increase my rpm to 5k without changing gear, then when i release the throtle paddle without pressing clutch, the exhaust wil be very loud(normal) and the new sound appear which is 'cccrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkkkkkkk" til around 3k rpm then go off..tis happen in every gear, thus if the rpm is higher, the sound wil be louder...

Is this normal or abnormal?

3.Is 1.5gb driveshaft fitted well on an evo gb? I tried to use 1.8 gsr driveshaft but it was not fitted well, which when compared to 1.5gb and gsr gb, gsr driveshaft is a bit more longer..weird case..

I had dismantled my gb once again yesterday to check if there is any problem, added washer on the gearbox to make the clutch can step more further, changed new gearbox fluid...and the problem stil haven't solve at all...

5.When i engaged from 2nd to 3rd gear, there wil be a sound like if u didn't fully press the clutch, and u engage gear, the 'cruk' sound....is this gearbox problem ?

 

[renxun]

frm your description im not sure how serious the sound that admitted frm your gearbox. but using trinity clutch sounds like grrrrrrrrrrr.... will appear at high load low rpm ... which they will dissapear after certain rpm.. reason of this is due to the solid hub design. it unable to dampen the vibration caused by the load.

it will not be as smooth as stock clutch... and it is normal to have slight harsh engagement with this kind of design. i thought its normal. but when i bought new set of exedy hyper single wid solid hub, same thing happen too..

btw my car is a rwd car

 

[clanzkiller]

1. Wil it be due to the gb bearing release sound? but i just changed fluid and new bearing...notice it usually happen to be very loud after a long distance drive...

2.Thanks bro renxun...i've consulted my other frens same as using triniti clutch, and i tested drive wit him, he told me tat is normal...so probably i wil just ignore it if it is normal...

 

[jinkl]

engage 2nd to 3rd got cruk , thts ur synchromesh destroyed, no choice but to find a another gearbox with similar synchromest or to jst change to another gb, i dnt tink they sell synchromesh in malaysia

other than that, i tink ur gearbox is in a pretty bad shape or installation done wronly

triniti clutch is one clutch that is not recommended for daily drive
first thing is that it does not have springs and thus does not dampen vibrations
2nd thing , because it doesnt dampen vibrations it eats up the shaft of your gearbox

:D

 

[clanzkiller]

Hurm....thanks jinkl, wil try to let my mech know about your comment and see wat he say..i don't think installation done wrongly cause has dismantled 2 times and stil the same thing...gearbox might be in bad shape, possible, but how do we determine it ?

don't mind to ask, if the shaft of the gb eaten up, wat wil happen ?

 

[renxun]

more vibrations. we only use this kind of clutch when we EXPECT uprated wear due to harsh operation and rebuild every year end.

sometimes i just dont understand why street car users tend to use unsprung hub for daily use. it doesnt sound practical anyway

 

[clanzkiller]

omg...now i know...cause was known that triniti is much more softer compare to exedy....so i chose triniti....do u guys have any idea how to overcome it? by not changing another clutch cause i just installed it and drove for 3 days... :(

 

[zac]

Bro, need your comment badly, whats the difference between your previous gsr gd and current evo gb? any powerloss/gain? i plan to change me mivec gb to evo tb as well

Bump: Bro, need your comment badly, whats the difference between your previous gsr gd and current evo gb? any powerloss/gain? i plan to change me mivec gb to evo tb as well

 

[jinkl]

omg...now i know...cause was known that triniti is much more softer compare to exedy....so i chose triniti....do u guys have any idea how to overcome it? by not changing another clutch cause i just installed it and drove for 3 days... :(

wrong info la bro , triniti uses exedy's cover + modify it to be suitable for their plates
once shaft is gone errr , car wont move hehhe

 

[clanzkiller]

Bro, need your comment badly, whats the difference between your previous gsr gd and current evo gb? any powerloss/gain? i plan to change me mivec gb to evo tb as well

Bump: Bro, need your comment badly, whats the difference between your previous gsr gd and current evo gb? any powerloss/gain? i plan to change me mivec gb to evo tb as well

previously i was only using 1.5gb....sorry couldn't help much :D..

wrong info la bro , triniti uses exedy's cover + modify it to be suitable for their plates
once shaft is gone errr , car wont move hehhe

eh ya ya....wat i meant is that if compared directly wit triniti product and exedy product, triniti is stil softer than exedy rite?

u meant the shaft is the driveshaft izit ? i'm using 1.5 driveshaft wit evo gearbox..however 1.8driveshaft couldn't fitted well because is slightly longer....

I tried just now, the engagement sound seems to appear frequently, like 80/100...sometimes don have...i've also tried whack hardly just now on my way home til 4th gear, sometimes 2nd-3rd got sound, if 2nd-3rd no sound, then it goes to 3rd-4th gear...
if slow switching gear, mostly 2nd-3rd...sometime got sometime don have also..
got few times 1st-4th gear without any sound, dam siok....cause once heard the 'cruk' sound, heart also pain....@@
it seems like 1st-2nd, 2nd-3rd, 3rd-4th gear all got the sound, just tat 5th gear don have...

 

[renxun]

i tink its syncro that have worn ler. u ever change your gearbox oil or not? clutch wont make your gear shift like that ler.....the only prob i have wid unsprung hub is on 5th gear 2k rpm and below it tend to vibrate hard. after 2k rpm then its ok.

triniti u felt soft maybe you didnt change the cover. the cover determines how your leg will feel. if you use aftermarket cover sure harder than stock. if you use trinity without changing cover, the pedal feel will remain the same

 

[liz@rd]

engage 2nd to 3rd got cruk , thts ur synchromesh destroyed, no choice but to find a another gearbox with similar synchromest or to jst change to another gb, i dnt tink they sell synchromesh in malaysia

other than that, i tink ur gearbox is in a pretty bad shape or installation done wronly

triniti clutch is one clutch that is not recommended for daily drive
first thing is that it does not have springs and thus does not dampen vibrations
2nd thing , because it doesnt dampen vibrations it eats up the shaft of your gearbox

:D

damm it, u have shattered my hope , badly , my synchro KO-ed assuming, and was thinking to ask mechs see if it can be saved, the "cruk" sound hurts ...

at times above 60km/h 3rd gear downshift to 2nd gear a bit hard to engage also ...

 

[clanzkiller]

i tink its syncro that have worn ler. u ever change your gearbox oil or not? clutch wont make your gear shift like that ler.....the only prob i have wid unsprung hub is on 5th gear 2k rpm and below it tend to vibrate hard. after 2k rpm then its ok.

triniti u felt soft maybe you didnt change the cover. the cover determines how your leg will feel. if you use aftermarket cover sure harder than stock. if you use trinity without changing cover, the pedal feel will remain the same

i changed to whole set wit triniti plate and cover....if 9', triniti do have their own cover..if 8.5', have to use exedy cover cause they do not manufacture it...and i'm using the 9' one, tat's why i chose to change the 1.5gb which is 8.5' flywheel to evo gb which is 9' flywheel...

scare modify fail then the whole gb can throw longkang d...

 

[SDF]

i think you could get a set of new synchromesh for gearbox..but it's gonna cost.. otherwise speak to the guy or shop who sold you the g/box...find out if it's exchangable.

BTW - you only hear the "craacckk" sound when up shifting or down shifting right ? if that's the case, yes..90% syncro..

if not.. careful on engine.. listen carefully if it's conrod bearing's worn..

 

[koie587]

i think we got the same problem...i just bought my car but the previous owner cant remember what type and brand of clutch he install last time...i think it using same with urs...

when driving slow and release gas then the "KRUUUUUKKKKKKK" loud sound appear...when drive fast and maintain gear the sound become visible...is it really same with urs?...

http://www.zerotohundred.com/newfor...1-strange-sound-from-clutch-and-absorber.html

 

[lavodo]

from my past exp.. ur gbox shaft seem "makan" already.. this bcoz trinity cluth dont have spring.. like other otai said.. this happen to me before..

if u open ur gbox, take a look at the gbox shaft n trinity clutch plate sub.. look closely n u will see.. the sub got wear.. that y when idle (800 - 1200rpm) u'll b heard.. ke tak ke tak ke tak sound..

 

[amel666]

Comparing trinity's to exedy's 4-puck.. for daily driving its better if i use exedy 4-puck sprung hub rite? It still can perform well 4 occasionally drag-ing and can dampen the vibration/torque thus prolong my GB live.
What do u guys think?

 

[koie587]

bad thing happen to my brother...he using trinity clutch b4 and its broken and hit the clutch housing...result = clutch plane lost 1 leg and clutch housing broken(got a big hole)...

 

[clanzkiller]

from my past exp.. ur gbox shaft seem "makan" already.. this bcoz trinity cluth dont have spring.. like other otai said.. this happen to me before..

if u open ur gbox, take a look at the gbox shaft n trinity clutch plate sub.. look closely n u will see.. the sub got wear.. that y when idle (800 - 1200rpm) u'll b heard.. ke tak ke tak ke tak sound..

but bro, when i press the clutch, the sound wil disappear, is like the release bearing sound...

wa cannot afford to dismantle gb d lo...have to 100% ensure the problem only dismantle and see..@@

 

[kctong]

Hi all and hi to you Clanzkiller (we met before when you bought the clutch from AZ Racing), well it seems that you are rather worried here with our product and thx to EL i am gonna do a few explanation here about the charateristics of solid hub designed clutches and spring loaded clutches. This is gonna be long……

About sound generated from solid hub clutches or even spring loaded clutches, like i have explained to you (Clanzkiller) before, due to the different material used on normal organic clutches which are softer compared to the material used in racing clutches and also the higher clamping load of the pressure plate you will normally experience sound of friction rubing againts the core metal of the pressure plate or even sound like metal hitting againts metal. This are normal and will not cause any damage to your gearbox or engine, that was what i told you before you installed the clutches because we have experience users that could not bear the sound and asking for refunds this is why we remind all our dealers to explain to users on the possible sound that will occur after installing the clutches even if that explanation sometimes means no sales for us.

So on your case bout the "tak tak tak" sound during idilng i am sure that it is not linked to the new set of clutch that you have bought. I am aware that u changed ur GB to install the clutch so do check and see if it has anything to do with the GB you bought. I am not gonna deny the possibilities that the problem might occur from our product but if it does i will be more than happy to help you solve it ASAP.

I understand that alot of users out there are thinking that due to the unsprung design of our clutches the quill shafts of the GB will give way, that happens only if the material used on the centre hub of the clutch plate is harder than the quill shaft and it is why when we notice that such problem occured (YES it happenned before with OUR PRODUCT), we took the initiative to changed all the material used for our center hub to ensure that it gives way after certain period of time. Well guess what? Now we have ppl complaining of the fragility of the center hub :hmmmm: but no worries we do have afters sales services on a little bit of RMs..and pls do not think that this only happens to TRINITI solid hub, even extremely well known brands like ACT, Xtreme, Clutchmasters, Alcon...bla bla...has the same problem with their solid hub clutches that is why we say that each product has got their own pros and cons.

Come to a spring loaded clutches, yes the center hub does not give way, material used is also softer than the quill shaft, but then again the design of the spring loaded clutch has got its own problem on the seperator that holds the spring and the spring itself, some of you might wanna test out on a used spring loaded clutch if you have one, try shaking it or even turning the spring you will notice that it is either loose or there might be funny sound while shaking the clutch, this are due to the worn seperator and the lost of tension on the spring and, due to this higher tension spring are used on a racing clutch sometimes even double spring, some of you might even seen missing springs on a spring loaded clutch this does happens when the seperator breaks and the spring goes flying. Again all clutches has got their own pros and cons.

I notice in this thread about a user referring his experince on a broken triniti clutch (i am sure we have replaced the clutch) that eventually also leads to a new gear box purchase, we have got no one to blame but on our own QC and we apologise for that. This is due to hairline cracks on a new clutch that are not visible to our naked eye, so once insalled problem occurs, so that is why it is advisable when you notice extremely loud clanky noises coming out from ur GB pls do not continue to rev or even drive this also goes to users with spring loaded clutches or even standard clutches. And whenever you purchase a new clutch do some inspection on the core plate, the center hub fitting, the springs and even the friction material.

About the dillemma of getting a spring loaded clutch or solid hub clutch i can only say it depends on yourself because if you notice all racing clutches are NOT MEANT FOR STREET DRIVING, why is it being used on street cars is due the heavy modification and the craving for more HP and Torque that results in clutch slippage.

To summarise all;

Solid hub clutches:
Pros:Better response time due to unsprung design that enables it to be clamped right away.
Cons: Results in worn center hub and more judders during launching on (3 pucks design).

Spring loaded hub:
Pros: Worn center hub seldom happens, better driveability.
Cons: Lost of tension on spring, slower response time.

And at the end of the day it really depends much on the user them self to choose the right clutch for their application. I have even seen cars generating 100+ hp using twin plates, well what can we say drivers preferences.

It seems i have been typing non-stop and some of you might not even understand what i am babling here. Well do call me if you need further explanation i am no pro but i will try my best to help even if you are asking bout other brands, no harm done...a Teh tarik will do but pls don't ask me bout pricing, i will leave that to our dealers. Thanks.

Call me at: 012-313 2977 (Victor) free for yum-cha from 11-5:30 (need to go home jaga anak)

P/s: Clanzkiller pls call me if you need any explanation to free you from your worries bro.