Are Malaysian Ready ?

[SDF]

This thought had always been lingering in my little mind..

Are we malaysians ready for Turbocharging ?
Do we have the right knowledge ?
Do we get the right info from the right source ?
Do we know how it even works ?!?!?
What are the basics to turbocharging ?
How are things compensated ?


juz tot i'd share my thoughts and lets hear it from the rest of you guys... B)



* BTW - my conclusion is that Malaysia isn't mature and ready for turbocharging, especially facts, figures and info isn't correct. Mindset isn't proper too... sad to say~

 

[Zeroed]

Eh? Im pretty sure there are a whole lot of mechanics around who thoroughly understand the concepts of turbocharging...

Except for EMS and other tuning for monster turbo drag machines, then Malaysia -may- not be quite so ready for it la.

 

[BlackSamurai]

Are we malaysians ready for Turbocharging ?
>> Yes

Do we have the right knowledge ?
>> Nope for most of us

Do we get the right info from the right source ?
>> Mostly not

Do we know how it even works ?!?!?
>> Simple theory yes, but not indepth.

What are the basics to turbocharging ?
>> I dong low

How are things compensated ?
>> The answer shall come from you, SDF. :D


I think very soon BlackHowling will reply your thread, SDF. :D

 

[SDF]

blacksam..

heh heh... letz see wat the rest of ZTH gotta say...

 

[Battousai]

Do we have the right knowledge?
MOstly no

Do we get the right info from the right source?
Mostly no

Do we know how it even works ?!?!?
Mostly no

What are the basics to turbocharging?
Turbo can eat one ar?

How are things compensated?
Dunno

Are we malaysians ready for Turbocharging?
In conclusion, no.

But SDF taikor... you also Malaysian wat...

 

[SDF]

daryl..

thats why i dunno lor... read wat my nick says.. "some dumb fcuk".... i where will know...

 

[phat7]

there is alot involved in turbocharging. there are a few select mechanics around that have received endorsements from foreign institutions. sadly many malaysians are not well aware of the requirements of turbocharging or simply do not have the funds to this route.

many i've met just plug in a cheap tc without any supporting hardware such as fuelling,suspensions,brakes etc. some really have no idea of the requirement and others of course will quote their famous under the tree sifu whom was taught by another more famous under a bigger tree sifu that say just add tc then dial in 1.2boost and you be ok.

i've personally dynoed and at got my car tuned for the relevant setup at that time and tuning was all done WOT. what about my cruising afr's? well thats how they've been taught so like robots they follow.

 

[Zeroed]

What kind of turbocharging are you guys talking about? You make it sound like rocket science.

 

[SDF]

phat7

yea u rite man.. it is sad to say..there are so many 'trees' to learn from these days..and also not forgetting internet 'tree'... hahahah...

one of the other problem could be consumer mentality..i'd safely say..many enthusiasts find it hard to accept locally fabricated / locally installed / locally tuned / local experts / local engine builders....most ppl wud prefer 'foreign' talent.. juz like wat u said..some of them local guys are pretty good..but i guess they find it frustrating tryin to explain their talent locally...

probably the 'big tree' guys or 'mamak talk' guys wud get better business... as their claims sometimes do go somewhere between fiction and reality.. hahahaa...

 

[phat7]

true enthusiast will not forgo the fact that there's much more science involved than simply bolting on a turbo. yes it "may" work but reliability is gonna be zilch. the true cost of tc is heavy and from what i have worked out are as follow:

turbine- 4k +
manifold-1500
wg-800
ic-1800
bov-800
ic piping-1200
fuel pump-800
fuel rail-500
injectors-1000
fuel pressure reg-600
ecu-4-8k
tuning- contrary to pupular belief tuning cannot be perfected in 1 session but may take up to 3-4 sessions.cost-2k
i would also reccomend radiator upgrade amongst others. prices above a just an average and brand new.

there are very good local mechanics but sadly they have to forgo perfection in order to meet customers budgets by adding used parts etc.

 

[KryPToN]

If we never try... we will never know i guess. Everything has to start from somewhere... if we say 'we are not ready' and just sit, wait and learn from other countries... just when will we ever be ready for it? Tinkering around with something and watching somebody play with that very same object, who will learn/experience more? In my humble opinion, one of the best method to learn is through trial-and-error, but this may become costly financially (ie. your wallet) and socially (ie. accident rates).

Haha... just wat am i saying??! Looks like out of topic already. LOLz. Anyway... even if we really are not ready now, at the rate how this industry is growing, we will soon be!

 

[Joeker]

This forum is getting abit slow these days, some intruguing threads like this sound kick things off.

We need to start some controversies to spice up alittle, keep them coming Melvin!!

 

[SDF]

joe.. heh heh...long time no see... ;)

 

[SDF]

krypton..

u got some points right somewhere.. :P
probably wat i wuz trying to say is...our motorsports / car mod industry isn't moving fast enuf... the pace and learning stages are not progressing due to mis-information / mis-aligned somewhere...due to the fellas 'under the tree' or due to what ever reasons..

thats why i posted it here to find out what is really happening..
i read through time and again that the same questions keep popping up over n over again..and worse still...people are still talking bout tech stuffs in yester years.. well related to turbocharging i mean.. ;)

 

[prozac]

Who is being implied here as "Malaysians"? Manufacturer or tuners? Or even owners?

As far as manufacturers go, it's irrevelant whether they produce a car with TC, SC, VVT or heck, even EFI or ABS. It's all part of a manufacturing and support framework; its execution matters most.

Tuners and owners on the other hand are too general a sample set to make assumptions. Skills vary widely depending on experience and capital.

 

[Dino@Casper]

Most mechanics in malaysia don't have the experince or knowledge on turbocharging thats true.. but i believe some of them do have.. maybe places like GT autos or links.. those mechs are quite good aeren't they??.. so far haven't heard much complain about their work...

 

[KryPToN]

SDF bro..
u said "motorsports / car mod industry isn't moving fast enuf" - i guess it is because the sport is expensive.

"the pace and learning stages are not progressing due to mis-information / mis-aligned somewhere...due to the fellas 'under the tree' or due to what ever reasons" - i think ppl go to some 'under the tree workshop' instead of renowed tuners with proper tools like Links and etc is because they are less expensive.

"people are still talking bout tech stuffs in yester years.. well related to turbocharging i mean" - err... i dont know what kinda high-tech turbocharging you are referring to (daamnn, i hope im not outdated as well!). but i guess that old technology is cheaper then newer more advanced technology.

I guess this kinda echo what Phat7 and Prozac said. "Skills will vary widely depending on experience and CAPITAL." I guess the ones will deeper pockets are the ones most ready for turbocharging then. If thats the case, I need a new job... T_T

 

[Zeroed]

true enthusiast will not forgo the fact that there's much more science involved than simply bolting on a turbo. yes it "may" work but reliability is gonna be zilch. the true cost of tc is heavy and from what i have worked out are as follow:

turbine- 4k +
manifold-1500
wg-800
ic-1800
bov-800
ic piping-1200
fuel pump-800
fuel rail-500
injectors-1000
fuel pressure reg-600
ecu-4-8k
tuning- contrary to pupular belief tuning cannot be perfected in 1 session but may take up to 3-4 sessions.cost-2k
i would also reccomend radiator upgrade amongst others. prices above a just an average and brand new.

there are very good local mechanics but sadly they have to forgo perfection in order to meet customers budgets by adding used parts etc.

IMO there is nothing wrong with used parts, so long as they are good in condition and have not been subjected to much wear and tear.
How long does your 'new' parts remain new? As soon as you install them they become used. If anything, good used parts are parts that are proven to be free from major defects albeit with a shorter life span.


SDF... it seems you mean that Malaysians are backwards in turbocharging technology?

That is to be certain, we dont even have a competitive motoring industry in here. There isnt even a reason for such technology developments, as even the fundemental car manufacturers arent producing cars with such a level of technology support/requirement. Japanese cars are still best off with Jepun-mali equipment in a sense. People here dont have the funds and technical knowledge for the R&D anyway.

But that doesnt mean that Malaysians are not ready for turbocharging... although backwards, we can still make do with older technologies and fabricate parts for such hardware. Sure our mechanics do not produce the latest gadgets and hardware, but I know some who very well understand newer technologies and are able to install and tune them accordingly, albeit not to Japanese standards.


A good example is Supercharger Gerard, although he does not produce supercharger kits with cutting edge technology, he is able to use older hardware plus self-fabricated parts and long durations of tuning to produce a very reliable 0.7 bars supercharger kit for a standard internal 4G93P, all while meeting the demands of our market. Whaddya mean not ready? We're just behind. :D

 

[SDF]

hahaha...u guys are great sport.. ;)

yea..in some way we're so called 'behind time' comparing with some of our neighbouring countries and also the europeans and japs...

i'm not saying we're backwards...juz not catching up fast enuf in terms of forced induction either Turbo or Super charged...

well i do agree that $$$ comes handy, but probably itz also because parts are pretty expensive over here...which makes it the more difficult for us all to enjoy GOOD performance parts at a reasonable price..

B)

 

[acbc]

Another problem is people here who mod tend to be conservative about fuel consumption. They want power n lower FC at the same time. By right, when u mod... FC is nothing to shout about. Main thing is POWER!