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<blockquote data-quote="1JZtezza" data-source="post: 3855416" data-attributes="member: 66560"><p>Something of interest for 'tezza' owners.Thanks to Adian.Anybody else wanna add and share are all welcomed!</p><p></p><p></p><p>Originally Posted by 1JZtezza</p><p>hi Adian,</p><p></p><p>Thanks for the great reply.Maybe I may start a new thread under Altezza forums with some references to what is written in the 'race track junkie' thread and the links you sent.</p><p>Not that many track kaki altezzas-most are new to the track(on track)</p><p></p><p>Thanks again</p><p></p><p>Quote:</p><p>Originally Posted by adian</p><p>Hey man..</p><p></p><p>Yes yes, ride height and rake makes quite a big difference.</p><p></p><p>We did discuss it on ZTH on the RaceTrack Junkies forum. Here's a link to the discussion:</p><p>http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforu...ml#post3666780</p><p></p><p>and then further discussions with reference to how it will affect the geometry here:</p><p>http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforu...ang-sic-7.html</p><p></p><p>Generally, you would always want the car to be level. It's about 'corner-weights', and trying to adjust where you want the weight of the car to sit.</p><p></p><p>Altezzas are about 50-50 in dynamic weight distribution.</p><p></p><p>By having a lower front, means you push some of the weight to the front, ie say 52-48.</p><p>This leads to more understeer, as your front tyres will be overworked in comparison to the rear tyres (recall the basics: Traction Circle). Yes, the car will of course track a bit straighter, but unless you're into straightline drag-racing (which from your posts I notice you're not! hehe! You're a track addict!), then there's no reason why we'd want to have a lower front than the rear.</p><p></p><p>With a level car and 50-50 weight distribution, I get the car to handle as it is meant to handle: turn-in when you want it to, rear-end loses traction gradually so you can control it, and adjustable on the throttle.</p><p></p><p>Also with a level car, you can use the brakes to 'rotate' or 'yaw' the car as you turn-in to the corners with a trail-braking technique. If you use a front-heavy setting (lower front), trail-braking will not have as much an affect, as your front will understeer and the rear lacks the weight to 'yaw' the car using momentum.</p><p></p><p>Lastly, with after-market suspension, they tend to have a higher rear because they need to engineer into the product the fact that it is a road car, and the owner will sometimes carry 3 adults and luggage in the back! This is to provide clearance. I'm not kidding: when I was in R3, we would engineer all our R3 suspension kits and springs with slightly higher rears in order to accomodate this need!</p><p></p><p>Hope all that shit I explained helps. I'm really interested to meet the 'track-kaki' Altezza owners. If any of you are catching up pls feel free to SMS me. My hp is 012 688 1200.</p><p></p><p>ciaoss..</p><p></p><p>/adian</p><p></p><p>Quote:</p><p>Originally Posted by 1JZtezza</p><p>Hi adian,</p><p>I noticed you set your ride height(between front and rear) to be level ie the door sill or floor pan to be level; rather than front lower a bit than the rear as most after mkt non-adjustable susp do.Any particular reason??</p><p>I use Tein flex and also set the same and find that this gives a more responsive steering and better handling.front lower seems to track straighter and understeer a bit when off-throttle.</p><p>Would appreciate your inputs or experiences.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="1JZtezza, post: 3855416, member: 66560"] Something of interest for 'tezza' owners.Thanks to Adian.Anybody else wanna add and share are all welcomed! Originally Posted by 1JZtezza hi Adian, Thanks for the great reply.Maybe I may start a new thread under Altezza forums with some references to what is written in the 'race track junkie' thread and the links you sent. Not that many track kaki altezzas-most are new to the track(on track) Thanks again Quote: Originally Posted by adian Hey man.. Yes yes, ride height and rake makes quite a big difference. We did discuss it on ZTH on the RaceTrack Junkies forum. Here's a link to the discussion: http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforu...ml#post3666780 and then further discussions with reference to how it will affect the geometry here: http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforu...ang-sic-7.html Generally, you would always want the car to be level. It's about 'corner-weights', and trying to adjust where you want the weight of the car to sit. Altezzas are about 50-50 in dynamic weight distribution. By having a lower front, means you push some of the weight to the front, ie say 52-48. This leads to more understeer, as your front tyres will be overworked in comparison to the rear tyres (recall the basics: Traction Circle). Yes, the car will of course track a bit straighter, but unless you're into straightline drag-racing (which from your posts I notice you're not! hehe! You're a track addict!), then there's no reason why we'd want to have a lower front than the rear. With a level car and 50-50 weight distribution, I get the car to handle as it is meant to handle: turn-in when you want it to, rear-end loses traction gradually so you can control it, and adjustable on the throttle. Also with a level car, you can use the brakes to 'rotate' or 'yaw' the car as you turn-in to the corners with a trail-braking technique. If you use a front-heavy setting (lower front), trail-braking will not have as much an affect, as your front will understeer and the rear lacks the weight to 'yaw' the car using momentum. Lastly, with after-market suspension, they tend to have a higher rear because they need to engineer into the product the fact that it is a road car, and the owner will sometimes carry 3 adults and luggage in the back! This is to provide clearance. I'm not kidding: when I was in R3, we would engineer all our R3 suspension kits and springs with slightly higher rears in order to accomodate this need! Hope all that shit I explained helps. I'm really interested to meet the 'track-kaki' Altezza owners. If any of you are catching up pls feel free to SMS me. My hp is 012 688 1200. ciaoss.. /adian Quote: Originally Posted by 1JZtezza Hi adian, I noticed you set your ride height(between front and rear) to be level ie the door sill or floor pan to be level; rather than front lower a bit than the rear as most after mkt non-adjustable susp do.Any particular reason?? I use Tein flex and also set the same and find that this gives a more responsive steering and better handling.front lower seems to track straighter and understeer a bit when off-throttle. Would appreciate your inputs or experiences. [/QUOTE]
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