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since we cant tok about our holy gomen....so we see how our lovely SG doing.

They banned Far Eastern Economy Review because of this article:

Singapore’s ‘Martyr,’ Chee Soon Juan
July/August 2006

By Hugo Restall

Striding into the Chinese restaurant of Singapore’s historic Fullerton Hotel, Chee Soon Juan hardly looks like a dangerous revolutionary. Casually dressed in a blue shirt with a gold pen clipped to the pocket, he could pass as just another mild-mannered, apolitical Singaporean. Smiling, he courteously apologizes for being late—even though it is only two minutes after the appointed time.

Nevertheless, according to prosecutors, this same man is not only a criminal, but a repeat offender. The opposition party leader has just come from a pre-trial conference at the courthouse, where he faces eight counts of speaking in public without a permit. He has already served numerous prison terms for this and other political offenses, including eight days in March for denying the independence of the judiciary. He expects to go to jail again later this year.
Mr. Chee does not seem too perturbed about this, but it drives Singaporean Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong up the wall. Asked about his government’s persecution of the opposition during a trip to New Zealand last month, Mr. Lee launched into a tirade of abuse against Mr. Chee. “He’s a liar, he’s a cheat, he’s deceitful, he’s confrontational, it’s a destructive form of politics designed not to win elections in Singapore but to impress foreign supporters and make himself out to be a martyr,” Mr. Lee ranted. “He’s deliberately going against the rules because he says, ‘I’m like Nelson Mandela and Mahatma Gandhi. I want to be a martyr.’”

Coming at the end of a trip in which the prime minister essentially got a free ride on human rights from his hosts—New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark didn’t even raise the issue—this outburst showed a lack of self-control and acumen. Former Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew, the man who many believe still runs Singapore and who is the current prime minister’s father, has said much the same things about Mr. Chee—“a political gangster, a liar and a cheat”—but that was at home, and in the heat of an election campaign.

Mr. Chee smiles when it’s suggested that he must be doing something right. “Every time he says something stupid like that, I think to myself, the worst thing to happen would be to be ignored. That would mean we’re not making any headway,” he agrees.
But one charge made by the government does stick: Mr. Chee is not terribly concerned about election results. Which is just as well, because his Singapore Democratic Party did not do very well in the May 6 polls. It would be foolish, he suggests, for an opposition party in Singapore to pin its hopes on gaining one, or perhaps two, seats in parliament. He is aiming for a much bigger goal: bringing down the city-state’s one-party system of government. His weapon is a campaign of civil disobedience against laws designed to curtail democratic freedoms.

“You don’t vote out a dictatorship,” he says. “And basically that’s what Singapore is, albeit a very sophisticated one. It’s not possible for us to effect change just through the ballot box. They’ve got control of everything else around us.” Instead what’s needed is a coalition of civil society and political society coming together and demanding change—a color revolution for Singapore.

So far Mr. Chee doesn’t seem to be getting much, if any traction. While many Singaporeans don’t particularly like the PAP’s arrogant style of government, the ruling party has succeeded in depoliticizing the population to the extent that anybody who presses them to take action to make a change is regarded with resentment. And in a climate of fear—Mr. Chee lost his job as a psychology lecturer at the national university soon after entering opposition politics—a reluctance to get involved is hardly surprising.
Why is all this oppression necessary in a peaceful and prosperous country like Singapore where citizens otherwise enjoy so many freedoms? Mr. Chee has his own theory that the answer lies with strongman Lee Kuan Yew himself: “Why is he still so afraid? I honestly think that through the years he has accumulated enough skeletons in his closet that he knows that when he is gone, his son and the generations after him will have a price to pay. If we had parliamentary debates where the opposition could pry and ask questions, I think he is actually afraid of something like that.”

That raises the question of whether Singapore deserves its reputation for squeaky-clean government. A scandal involving the country’s biggest charity, the National Kidney Foundation, erupted in 2004 when it turned out that its Chief Executive T.T. Durai was not only drawing a $357,000 annual salary, but the charity was paying for his first-class flights, maintenance on his Mercedes, and gold-plated fixtures in his private office bathroom.

The scandal was a gift for the opposition, which naturally raised questions about why the government didn’t do a better job of supervising the highly secretive NKF, whose patron was the wife of former Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong (she called Mr. Durai’s salary “peanuts”). But it had wider implications too. The government controls huge pools of public money in the Central Provident Fund and the Government of Singapore Investment Corp., both of which are highly nontransparent. It also controls spending on the public housing most Singaporeans live in, and openly uses the funds for refurbishing apartment blocks as a bribe for districts that vote for the ruling party. Singaporeans have no way of knowing whether officials are abusing their trust as Mr. Durai did.
It gets worse. Mr. Durai’s abuses only came to light because he sued the Straits Times newspaper for libel over an article detailing some of his perks. Why was Mr. Durai so confident he could win a libel suit when the allegations against him were true? Because he had done it before. The NKF won a libel case in 1998 against defendants who alleged it had paid for first-class flights for Mr. Durai. This time, however, he was up against a major bulwark of the regime, Singapore Press Holdings; its lawyers uncovered the truth.

Singaporean officials have a remarkable record of success in winning libel suits against their critics. The question then is, how many other libel suits have Singapore’s great and good wrongly won, resulting in the cover-up of real misdeeds? And are libel suits deliberately used as a tool to suppress questioning voices?

The bottling up of dissent conceals pressures and prevents conflicts from being resolved. For instance, extreme sensitivity over the issue of race relations means that the persistence of discrimination is a taboo topic. Yet according to Mr. Chee it is a problem that should be debated so that it can be better resolved. “The harder they press now, the stronger will be the reaction when he’s no longer around,” he says of Lee Kuan Yew.
The paternalism of the PAP also rankles, especially since foreigners get more consideration than locals. The World Bank and International Monetary Fund will hold their annual meeting in Singapore this fall, and have been trying to convince the authorities to allow the usual demonstrations to take place. The likely result is that international NGO groups will be given a designated area to scream and shout. “So we have a situation here where locals don’t have the right to protest in their own country, while foreigners are able to do that,” Mr. Chee marvels. Likewise, Singaporeans can’t organize freely into unions to negotiate wages; instead a National Wages Council sets salaries with input from the corporate sector, including foreign chambers of commerce.

All these tensions will erupt when strongman Lee Kuan Yew dies. Mr. Chee notes that the ruling party is so insecure that Singapore’s founder has been unable to step back from front-line politics. The PAP still needs the fear he inspires in order to keep the population in line. Power may have officially passed to his son, Lee Hsien Loong, but even supporters privately admit that the new prime minister doesn’t inspire confidence.
During the election, Prime Minister Lee made what should have been a routine attack on multiparty democracy: “Suppose you had 10, 15, 20 opposition members in parliament. Instead of spending my time thinking what is the right policy for Singapore, I’m going to spend all my time thinking what’s the right way to fix them, to buy my supporters’ votes, how can I solve this week’s problem and forget about next year’s challenges?” But of course the ominous phrases “buy votes” and “fix them” stuck out. That is the kind of mistake, Mr. Chee suggests, Lee Sr. would not make.

“He’s got a kind of intelligence that would serve you very well when you put a problem in front of him,” he says of the prime minister. “But when it comes to administration or political leadership, when you really need to be media savvy and motivate people, I think he is very lacking in that area. And his father senses it as well.”

However, the elder Mr. Lee’s death—he is now 82—is a necessary but not sufficient condition for change. Another big factor is how civil society is able to use new technologies to bypass PAP control over information and free speech. The government has tried to stifle political filmmaking, blogging and podcasting. Singapore Rebel, a 2004 film about Mr. Chee by independent artist Martyn See, was banned but is widely available on the Internet.
Meanwhile, pressure for Singapore to remain competitive in the region has sparked debate about the government’s dominant role in the economy. Can a top-down approach promote creativity and independent thinking? The need for transparency and accountability also means that Singapore will have to change. That is the source of Mr. Chee’s optimism in the face of all his setbacks: “I realize that Singapore is not at that level yet. But we’ve got to start somewhere. And I’m prepared to see this out, in the sense that in the next five, 10, 15 years, time is on our side. We need to continue to organize and educate and encourage. And it will come.”

He doesn’t dwell on his personal tribulations, but mentions in passing selling his self-published books on the street. That is his primary source of income to feed his family, along with the occasional grant. As to the charge of wanting to be a martyr, once he started dissenting, he found it impossible to stop in good conscience. “The more you got involved, the more you found out what they’re capable of, it steels you, so you say, ‘No, I will not back down.’ It makes you more determined.”

Perhaps it’s in his genes. One of Mr. Chee’s daughters is old enough that she had to be told that her father was going to prison. She stood up before her class and announced, “My papa is in jail, but he didn’t do anything wrong. People have just been unfair to him.”

Mr. Restall is editor of the REVIEW.
 
more on the story:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chee_Soon_Juan

In the latest ranking of freedom of speech, SG is ranked 140th among the 170 countries in the world....behind those 3rd world countries like iraq, afghanistan......


MR.L** family controlled all public media in SG.....and major companies in SG....like ST...PSA.....chartered semi"Con"...etc....
 
er didnt read the whole thing but a blogger too had his section in a newspaper banned as he wrote something about the rising cost of living IIRC .
 
anyone write complaint against the gomen will first get the gomen to Screw $$$$ out from him then throw into jail.....

defarmation court case is their tools and no one has ever won the case against uncle lee
 
Singapore is not absolutely a very democratic country.

In fact, Singapore politics has alittle socialist fundamental.

But the most imporatn point here is SIngapore, as a country in general and economy is doing very well.
 
and everybody is happy for the singapore government effort, old folks get special allowance disregard of race, and they can safely walk along the street without being scare of snatch thief. I would like to get their pr status one day.
 
Tohsan said:
and everybody is happy for the singapore government effort, old folks get special allowance disregard of race.

Try not to touch on color or religion.

anyway, I can tell you 1 thing though.

When you work and stay in Singapore, you'll find that it aint as rosy as you think it would be.

Its just like some locals who think that AUstralia or US or UK is much better than here.(especially college student who merely spend a year or 2 studying there)

But ask those who have actually stayed and worked there for a long period.

They will still prefer to come back to M'sia.
 
Ya i know what u mean, the kiasu-sm is very very obvious in Singapore compare Malaysia, I got friend which is working from base level was promoted to director level yet he still want to come back Malaysia. But all in all,the pay is the main attraction that keep him in Singapore market. Come back Malaysia he will have to start all over again and start from scratch.
 
Actually, everybody knows the problem we face in our country but the problem is NOBODY can do anything about it.

Imagine you child. From small infant, you give him anything and everything he ask.

WHen he grow up to Teenager, you still give him anything and everthing he ask.

Now he is all grown up and is a man but he still dont want to work hard to earn his own money because he know you will give him anything and everything.

If you don't give him what he wants, he runs away from home and join gangster or mafia or something.

So what do you do, you just have to give in.

This problem has been around since 49 year ago. Unless the son wakes up and realize what he is doing is actually destroying himself, this problem will be here forever and ever. But honestly the sad thing is, I think the son knows about it but DOES NOT want to wake up.

If the son join gangster or mafia, whole family will suffer.

Nowadays, the father is getting old and can't afford to buy and spend the kind of money the son used to spend.

I think you know wat I'm trying to say.
 
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kekekekke...ranked 140th..interesting..

singaporean is diciplined la in the other way..
they listen tot tehir gomen and they all go with one vision one dream..

which is why they are so deb\voloped
got pro and cons la~
 
In some aspect, we M'sian are better off then S'poreans.

For example. Some of us can afford to own a car or a house or an apartment before we are even 30 or 40.

But over there, alot of them can't afford car or still staying in Gomen subsidized flats. Those who can afford landed property like house are quite well to do.

WHere as in M'sia, average salaryman can afford to buy a house / apartment and start a small family.

Modify cars in SIngapore? Unless you are business owner or son of rich family, you can FORGET IT. Singapore JPJ will fry your ass up side down with summons and Singapore JPJ cannot "kawtim" one.
 
uncle lee is just liek a very strict father, you have to obey him so he gives you life....

anyway SG is one of the nicest place to stay but not a nicest place to earn money...

although the econ there goes well...but the majority of the wealth is owning by the 10% of all populations...which is even lower than pareto principle.However, SG is an ideal place if you want a stable and normal life.....plus you dont mind to loose your freedom in many aspect.

in SG, if you are not among the top 10% of population or anyone in the L family...then..you have to be a very obedient child......their gomen will initially calculated how their ppl should spend their money.....big portion in EPF....then another portion in medical insurance....and how much to spend in the HDB flats....so majority of the ppl there have savings not more than 5 figure.....

their Gomen should not control so much in the business sector so that the weath gap can be balanced....in SG there are many smart ppl but too bad they couldnt find the way to have their career in SG and many were forced to go to western countries to persuit for their career.

also.....in the history,....the way they choose their "successor" leader will lead to problem.....they are more towards to get the power transfer to the designated family member rather than choose the really capable available in the country....so the fate of the country will depend on how capable of the L family can have...if their siblings are not as good as uncle lee...then the whole country will in big trouble....this is a very identical problem spotted in the "mornachy" system in the century-the king past the throne to the sons....and if all sons of the kings are dumb...then the country collapsed..
 
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Agree .. Malaysia is seems far more better, even our government is not considered hardworking or helping much, we shall appreciate that we live in such big community Chinese Malays n Indians ..multi racial, marriage of interracial ... kawtim styled enforcements, peace country .. Not like Thailand and some other neighbourhood .. throwing bombs and much more ..

Malaysians are very hardworking and good, but they dont use the facility to improve, they lack of it and they lazy too ..
 
"i dont like working in singapore as almost everyone is so bloody hardworking.
it's too competitive that if i slack for a moment, i'll probably gutted the opportunity (business).
Survival of the fittest. yes. but, i like to take my opportunity "somewhere" else where if i have the brains, knowledge & experience, i pretty much could survive. "

Unless, i'm in the business where success is equal to "the sky is no limit".... then the bigger & better freedom, the market is, gets my thumbs up for it.
 
just like japan wat, in japan everybody is so damn hard working....
maybe soon singapore become like japan ler.... small but powerful?? sigh... i hope not
 
i likes s'pore party scene than m'sia.ahahhaha..
S'por is a nice plc for shopping besides of wat i mentioned is out..
stay thr is not a good choice
work thr probably yea, bcoz 500k m'sian is proven they make good money thr...
 
have you been into SG? For how long? 1 day? 1 week? 1 month? 1 year? Have you been there to work, to earn money and not to have some hu - ha fun time?

Do you know that, if your family earns less than SGD 1.5k, you will never be able to afford to send your kids to a government - approved Tadika? Just how bad is that? And have you seen how they systematically take the Malays there out? Not even to carry weapons even though they are in the armed forces?

Have you seen just how high non - Malays can move up in the ladder of our own local police force? This is just one example I can give to you.

Do you know, how much you need to spend if you take the local public transport there at SG? For a day of travel, mixing with MRT, LRT and public buses, you will be spending at least SGD 5.00 per day ( that about RM 11.50 per day ). And just how much for petrol per litre? And that you even have to pay parking fees at your own home?

Yes, the prices for tuning parts there is SG is pretty all right, and there is plenty of tuning shops in SG. But how much will a car cost over there? Road tax? For what usage? Weekday, weekend, daily?

That's just a bit I can tell you about SG. For the rest, why doncha surrender your Malaysian I.C, Malaysian Passport and Malaysian Letter of Birth at the nearest JPN branch and move out to SG?

Even though our contry sometimes, doesn't seem to be as rosy as we want to, at least, until today, we get no earthquakes, no heavy storms, no bad snowing season, economy is all right, everyone live a fine and dandy life.

So, why keep on complaining? Why doncha just take it in your stride an dmove on? Boy, you guys are sure a bunch of ppl who only know how to complain. If you, in your kiddie years, was sent to a BTN camp, then you know the meaning of : stop complaining, and just get on with it!

I was sent to a BTN camp because I was a rowdy Malay whose friends is a few Chinese and Indian boys whow as linked with the local gang, and always bring smelly liquors like Black Label to school, at that was way back at 1992 - 1994.

Quit complaining, and get the actual facts bfr you say something. US is safe? It's not safe to even it's own, local, non - Muslim residents. Ppl stake out their house, to find a nicely - tuned, JDM - themed car and by tomorrow, you find that your car have been jacked. It's a lot worse, out there in US, compared to similar cases that happen here in Malaysia.

That's just some examples that I can give to you. But, if you think that what I say is untrue, then, why doncha find it out yourself? You'll find that the answer you've been looking for will be the same like mine.

We are Malaysians. Yes, there is a number of Malaysians who is unable to be like one. So what? Let 'em be. Why?

Because not everyday you'll be on top of the wheel, simple.

Tohsan said:
and everybody is happy for the singapore government effort, old folks get special allowance disregard of race, and they can safely walk along the street without being scare of snatch thief. I would like to get their pr status one day.
 
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Your thinkings will doomed the nation...... Everyday people are complaining and criticising things around around them: politics, foods, business, living environment and etc...... So what wrong with critics..... There's nothing wrong with the critics, just that you cannot handle the truth.......

We are not that kind of people who sit back on our ass waiting for money drop from tree..... We work hard for the country's sake, thus we need strong G to back us in return...... Give us swift correspondents and feedbacks, not just giving lame excuses for the delay....... I work in consultant firms and often faces lazy G officer........ Could you imaging you need to wait for 6 months before electricity connected to your factory?? My japanese boss was shaking his head whenever he's dealing with TNB...... He would never have to wait more than a month in Japan... Of course we are pleased to have high-ranking police officer, but how about other G departments or GLCs..... Are we not qualify enuff????

We aren't racist people and we loves our country.... We just can't stand unimpressed performance from G, which they themselves say 'People are the real boss in this country'. Please don't use "the why doncha surrender your Malaysian I.C, Malaysian Passport and Malaysian Letter of Birth at the nearest JPN branch and move out to SG?" to threaten us, becos we deserved to live here than 'you know who'.....
 
Lennon, I understand your situation. That is why, when I see threads like this, what I always say is : If you don't like the current situation you're in, do something POSITIVE about it. Is complaining a positive thing to do? If you read book about self - enrichment, self - improvement, business - related books, they will satte [ ooopppss! Should be 'say the' lah! Thingking of sate for too long oledi! :X-: ]the same words too. Complaining is : negative. And negative stuffs will only lead to more negative stuffs later on.

And I always say : no one will be on top of the wheels for long.

Please do read my posting thoroughly. The words : Please don't use "the why doncha surrender your Malaysian I.C, Malaysian Passport and Malaysian Letter of Birth at the nearest JPN branch and move out to SG?" was not a threat, according to my post. It was more like an advice for those who are silly enuff to take it bluntly. Frankly speaking, I'm so tired of reading ppl complaining our country this, that etc. But have those who complains have seen what goes around in other countries around the globe? The countries I've seen, that better than Malaysia still do have some flaws, like a much higher living costs, longer working hours et cetera.

Do read the rest of my posting throughly 1st.

I have a lot of friends who are non - Malays throughout the world. They don't complain ( the non - Malays locally ) like you guys. One of my pals even took the effort to prepare a halal set dinner for me ( when I was the only non - Chinese ) during her marriage's dinner recently. And I was seated only a few feet away from the couple's family table. This shows that, if you can learn to be flexible, do learn to give and take with others, take into consideration everything possible, things will go smoothly and there will never be any problems at all, Malay, Chinese, Indian etc.

I also deal with Govt lah. That's why I know, that it is like that. There are ways to avoid getting payments from completed Local Order lah, maybe you don't know how. And no, it doesn't need any 'gifts' from your part. :_:
 
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wow wee. The person who wanted to whack me is now telling people to be flexible. I call it... BLASPHEMY. *spits* If only he look in a mirror and say all those words to himself. Bah. *spits*
People may like to complain, curse, swear, talk shit, talk piss, sing cock, shout twat. So what is it wrong with anybody talking about neighbouring country and stuff? Not everyday you're on top of the wheel? Seems like that person himself is trying to be on top of the wheel. Bah. *spits* Blinded by a big plank in his own eyes and telling people to take out the dust in theirs.
And just cos his friends don't complain, he uses that as an example (or whatever) to try to compare? Such narrow mindedness but yet, trying to be a oh-i'm-so-open-minded dude. Please... hahaha
And I wonder why don't he just "take it in his own stride and move on" if he's so sick and tired of people complaining about this country. Surrender documents back to JPN and move to Singapore if we're so sick of it here? Goes to show the blankness in his brains when he said that. But ain't that what a malay dude in the govt said to the china people some months back? Saying that if you don't like it here, then "balik la" or some shite like that. And I'm seeing this here again, from the same kind of people? Wow. Such coincidence.
Do something positive about it if we have so much complaints? BAH! *SPITS*
What do we get if we try to voice out to the govt? We will be told "not to talk about sensitive issues." The govt has the power and they are abusing it wonderfully. We talk constructively about a sensitive issue which will affect the country's non muslims, and they will ask us to STFU. Else, we will be caught for causing "unrest" to the nation. What nonsense. Might as well make it a law on what we citizens are allowed or not allowed to voice out.
 

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