need help...4G15 auto ---> manual

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i'm a Wise driver..... i wan to ask how much i need to spend to change my auto gear box into a manual gear box? coz my auto gear box already spoiled,even the "P","R" and "N" gear all same function with the "D" (means all gear also make the car move forward):cry_smile:
i already asked some workshop in Seremban,they said need about RM2500 to fully change to manual gear,and the radiator also need to change to manual gear type.......is that really need RM2500??? hope ZTH member can help me...thanks!!
 
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I am having the same situation with you but the other way round...

I wanted to change from manual to auto...

How about JPJ? Insurance? Do we need to do anything?
 
Wise gearbox is lik tat.. easy to kong's... cos ur car is 1.5 n u r pulling 16inch heavy rims wit 3 speed auto gearbox... i driving wise auto too.. i drive for 2 month n de gearboc 1st gear got problem... i bring back n claim it.... if u have warranty jus claim it back...
 
Wow, scary... :_: Auto gearbox for lady drivers... If meet someone like me like a cow sure kong... :_:
 
I've been driving a Wira Aeroback 1.5 auto, and I changed it to manual earlier this year. Here's what I know -

1) No need to change radiator. In fact, the full-length radiator that comes with auto cars is better than the half-length radiator that comes with the 4G15 manual!

2) Swap out the gearbox - you'll require the flywheel and clutch too. For low cost, use the Wira 1.5's 7.5 inch flywheel and clutch. They're very cheap. In my case, I used a Super Touring flywheel (120 bucks) and used an Exedy 8-inch clutch + pressure plate. Some people say that this flywheel is heavier and the acceleration will be poorer than a stock setup's, but truthfully it's not THAT much an impact. Instead, the car can maintain high speeds much better due to the larger flywheel.. it feels more stable, without that much of a speed reduction when your foot is off the pedal.

In my case, I'm using a 1.3 gearbox because I got it for only RM200.

3) Depending on whether you use clutch cable or clutch pump setup, get the appropriate pedal cluster. This can be obtained for maybe around RM80 at kedai potong. Not very pricey.

4) Get a gear shift + shifter base + shifter cables. It will cost arond RM100.

5) If you're using clutch cable, just get a new cable for around RM60 or so. If you're using a clutch pump, a new clutch pump would be about RM100 or more, but a halfcut one will do.. it would cost something like RM50 only.

In any case, the firewall will have to be drilled for the clutch pump lever or the clutch cable.

The shifter cables will run through the existing auto geabox's shifter cable firewall exit. There's no change to the brake and accelerator cable positions.

For a clutch cable setup, workshops will resort to different ways to get the cable affixed to the firewall. Some of them will just cut a 3/4-inch tube around 2.5 inches long, and weld it onto the firewall. Others will use a combination of bolts and washers and whatever. In my case, the mechanic did a bad job and so I re-did the thing myself with plumbing supplies (chromed joints + washers and bolts on either ends + metal epoxy) and the outcome is pretty good.

A clutch pump setup will definitely be neater.

6) For the ECU connection, you have two options:

i) Send it to a good wireman who can splice your existing cables to permanently fix the auto gear selector to "N" (so that you can start you car and drive around), but with a relayed or switched connection for the reverse wire (the existing reverse connection has to go to the manual gearbox's reverse gear contacts, and have to disengage from Neutral when reverse is closed-circuit). In the end, the auto geabox's electronic controller (that round thing that sits on top of the auto tranny's shifter) must go. If you don't do anything about it, two things will happen - your reverse lights and sensor won't turn on; and if you hit the controller hard while closing the bonnet, a fuse will blow and your central locks won't work. I know, it's weird but annoying.

ii) Get a manual ECU and the wiring. Replace your ECU and wiring with the manual version. This method will take lots of time, but it takes away the guess work. For a usual Wira wiring, the overall wiring loom can be divided into three major portions. You just need to change one portion - the one that goes past the firewall. If I'm not mistaken, it's the same bunch that has the injector sockets, airflow sensor, etc. A good wireman would be able to replace only the necessary parts and splice your existing wirings to the updated ones only where necessary. So far, I haven't encountered any wireman who could do this although it is definitely possible. Usually they're lazy and just want to use the whole bunch in its entirety.


So, there you have it, my detailed account of an auto-to-manual conversion!
 
jswong said:
I've been driving a Wira Aeroback 1.5 auto, and I changed it to manual earlier this year. Here's what I know -

1) No need to change radiator. In fact, the full-length radiator that comes with auto cars is better than the half-length radiator that comes with the 4G15 manual!

2) Swap out the gearbox.......

are you D.i.Y convert your gearbox???
how much u spend to finished all of it???
why u using 1.3 gearbox?? any different with 1.5 Wise manual gear box???
 
yyap2 said:
Wise gearbox is lik tat.. easy to kong's... cos ur car is 1.5 n u r pulling 16inch heavy rims wit 3 speed auto gearbox... i driving wise auto too.. i drive for 2 month n de gearboc 1st gear got problem... i bring back n claim it.... if u have warranty jus claim it back...

i already change to 15" sport rim ohh.....but still hav same problem....
7 months ago i already claim one set of auto gear box from EON lorr, now is 2nd set....coz i already spoiled two set of auto gear box...wahaha:emoticon_U:
i think auto gear really not suitable for me,so now i consider about manual gear....but they said need RM2500,make me takut takut ohh....:cry_smile:
 
I went to JPJ today...

I asked the officer that what should i do before and after converting gearbox only...

1) Go PUTRAJAYA, fill in a form and wait...
2) Wait for approval...
3) Approved, change the gearbox...
4) After changing, go puspakom inspection...

My comments, so troublesome... :( Is it important?

Will it effect the insurance policy later?
 
ken12292703 said:
I went to JPJ today...

I asked the officer that what should i do before and after converting gearbox only...

Ha??? need to register with the JPJ first ahh??? if i already change the gearbox without any registration??? how ???:emoticon_U:
 
I haven't re-registered with JPJ. Mech and other pals doing auto insurance told me that it's not so critical, because the important thing is that my engine code etc. is still the same.

To re-register with JPJ, my mech advised me to change the gearbox first, then re-register with JPJ. Tell them that your gearbox kong so you have no choice but to change first and declare later. Seems that it gets done faster that way. What is required is just a form to change information, i.e. Borang penukaran maklumat pendaftaran kenderaan or something like that. RM10 to get it done, it seems.

I didn't DIY it la of course.. too much work. I just spent 1/2 day at the mech's place to do it together with him, that's all. So, can be considered 50% DIY la. I got the parts bit by bit much earlier, and I used my power tools and other stuff to remove rust, apply enamel, lubricate, etc. so that all the components look brand new before they're installed. That'll make them last longer. The mech even asked me if my gearbox was brand new because it was shiny and clean with a fresh coat of lithium-moly grease at certain parts.

The difference between the 1.3 gearbox and the 1.5 one is that it uses a clutch cable. The older 1.5 Wiras also used a clutch cable system, the more recent ones are using clutch pump. But they're running with the same gear ratios.
 
Hermm, if it's not that critical... How about insurance??? If accident then insurance company doesn't want to accept claim... Jiaa latt lorr...
 
From what I heard, insurance companies typically won't hold it against you.. unless the company and the adjuster are total bastards... but we have to check to be sure. If it's company guidelines, then it would be a problem. From what I heard, it's alright because the engine and car structure haven't been changed.
 
HaHaHa everybody!!!:_:
i already change my gearbox in to manual gearbox larr!!!
all cost RM1450.....then the workshop help me to "kao tim" everything in JPJ....wahahaha!!!
 
hey friend, can recommend me da workshop u did ur conversion 4 auto 2 manuaL???can da workshop do for other cars like Toyota n not only proton...haha:regular_smile:
 
ae101rulez said:
hey friend, can recommend me da workshop u did ur conversion 4 auto 2 manuaL???can da workshop do for other cars like Toyota n not only proton...haha:regular_smile:

the workshop in Senawang industrial area ohh....but i think u r KL guy,so it's too far for you lah...
 
hmmm... i jus convert to manual last few week... all cost my only rm800 and trade in my auto gearbox... don need jpj wan... = )
 
peanut_wai said:
HaHaHa everybody!!!:_:
i already change my gearbox in to manual gearbox larr!!!
all cost RM1450.....then the workshop help me to "kao tim" everything in JPJ....wahahaha!!!

bro.. ur one more expensive than mine le... kena con? :confused_smile:
 

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