Msd Vs Mdi

[dcloo]

MSD VS MDI which was better?

as i know MDI can do for direct 4 coil ignition for honda b series
MSD DIS 2 was suitable for mitshubishi can't use on honda
but MSD lots of model can use for honda

 

[civic 0.5 BAR]

how about that msd from 12v to 16v de???any one use them b4???any suggestion???

 

[hattech-v]

both oso not good....

 

[shiroitenshi]

driving four coils involve a lot of work.. I don't think original honda ECU's with crome nor hondata can drive 4 individual coil packs (like those coil on plug systems) without some form of 'cheating' which defeats the purpose of using individual coil packs in the first place (i.e. individual cylinder tuning)

If apparently coils are not making enough energy, then go external.. I don't think MSD caps were that expensive in the first place.

Then again, coil on plug are also less prone to failure (or maybe not, depending on who you talk to)

DIS2 is a system that can drive coil on plug packs, while for honda, I think one of the drag teams already did it, but using AEM's EMS.

AEM has 4 channels (probably more, since I heard they can even run V8 or V12 engines) for ignition, while stock honda ecu have one (which everyone commonly calls the RPM signal wire/channel)

As for MDI.. well.. depends on model I guess, but a couple of friends that used it didn't manage to get it working well enough, to a point where even the MDI unit misfires, while the stock distributor + stock coils didn't, with the same settings to boot.. Maybe it was a faulty unit, but installing it in a bone stock B18CR seems to work fine.

Which one is better? Well..there's a lot of models for both, so depends I guess.

They're both multispark systems... supposedly better for low end torque.. but I'll believe it when I see/try it? :P

 

[J101]

ULTRA has aplenty new products for their MDI units but in japan only. the ones for the dc2/ek9type-r are bolt-on version and maybe has limitation.

As for MDI.. well.. depends on model I guess, but a couple of friends that used it didn't manage to get it working well enough, to a point where even the MDI unit misfires, while the stock distributor + stock coils didn't, with the same settings to boot.. Maybe it was a faulty unit, but installing it in a bone stock B18CR seems to work fine.

 

[shiroitenshi]

ULTRA has aplenty new products for their MDI units but in japan only. the ones for the dc2/ek9type-r are bolt-on version and maybe has limitation.

Probably, but when the manuals in japanese.. aiyoh x1000

 

[fobs]

these things only for b series and H series issit?

anything for my f20b dohc or my f20a sohc???

if this is a stupid question, juz ignore me, hehe!

 

[dcloo]

these things only for b series and H series issit?

anything for my f20b dohc or my f20a sohc???

if this is a stupid question, juz ignore me, hehe!

as long u car r using distributor u can use it
as i know thats ur car f0c was using distributor

 

[sumimasen]

means do i nid 2 use msd 6AL if running with distributor rite?

 

[dcloo]

means do i nid 2 use msd 6AL if running with distributor rite?

u can jsut buy the msd cap+coil already can use for distributer type or even u can custom the cap + coil
just connect the +&- wire from the cap source n install to coil its oredi done
if u not sure about the wire its can find it at msd website to get the manual to help u trace the wire

if u wan to get more better ignition signal/volts for high rpm range u can choose the 6al/digital6/sci/sci + /7 series or even 10 series thats depend what u going to do on your setup (example daily drive street car / drag car setup)

i still looking which was better mdi or msd
cause mdi was 4 coil type n msd was distributer type
both item was on hand now dunno which will better & good for future upgrade
in term of performance & reliable (turbo/nos kit)

i have do some research msd sci+was good enough to powered my honda motor even the msd digital 6 also not bad
i just a small different of rev cut limiter

for mdi its don't provide rev limiter but its have self independent coil control
just scare thats its accurate on timing issue or not its will cause knocking/detonation n blow the engine..

 

[shiroitenshi]

Got two people tested with mdi here, and both with non stock B20/B18C engine setups, both also had ignition issues with mdi, so for me, I don't think mdi's are any good for non-standard setups. They're probably made for stock B18C so that they're more reliable, but has inherent limitations when pushed beyond the limit.

 

[dcloo]

this what i have on my hand now
MDI 4 Coil system for type r & MSD ss blaster coil & MSD HVC 2 coil
which did u think was better?

http://foto.home.net.my/img/14745/image025_resize.jpg
http://foto.home.net.my/img/14744/image015_resize.jpg

 

[shiroitenshi]

this what i have on my hand now
MDI 4 Coil system for type r & MSD ss blaster coil & MSD HVC 2 coil
which did u think was better?

A couple of friends had endless problems with this one, it could be just bad luck, but they bought them new, not second hand! As I said, it works pretty well on stock setup, so it may work on yours, I just cannot say for sure.
http://foto.home.net.my/img/14745/image025_resize.jpg

Never seen any cars with these, except for the red coil on the left.
http://foto.home.net.my/img/14744/image015_resize.jpg
Sorry, the only person I know using MSD ignition is Ah Seong's Drag CRX (dunno if he's still using it)

 

[dcloo]

A couple of friends had endless problems with this one, it could be just bad luck, but they bought them new, not second hand! As I said, it works pretty well on stock setup, so it may work on yours, I just cannot say for sure.
http://foto.home.net.my/img/14745/image025_resize.jpg

Never seen any cars with these, except for the red coil on the left.
http://foto.home.net.my/img/14744/image015_resize.jpg
Sorry, the only person I know using MSD ignition is Ah Seong's Drag CRX (dunno if he's still using it)

ah seong was using 7al+HVC Blaster coil http://www.msdignition.com/2006/06-16.htm
its only for race purpose use only not suite for daily driving street car..

 

[shiroitenshi]

I'm thinking MSD for their experience with USDM cars and their experience with extremely modified applications, and well, I just like their design of the stuff. The MSD billet distributor for honda I like, with the hall effect sensor and external ignitors and coil, yet still gives a roughly stock system look. After all, the only problems we usually have is with the coil and ignitors, so with those problems addressed, I don't see what's wrong with a stock looking setup.

They're both multiple spark systems, and with claims of increased low end torque, but I wonder how far this is true, because you don't see major car makers implementing multiple spark systems.

Maybe I'm just a doubter.. but well, until I try it, can't really say more.

Post in ZTH of your experiences, regardless of which system you choose. I'd like to know if it's possible an Ultra MDI unit working as it should on a high hp, non standard setup as well.

 

[hattech-v]

use laa that msd...
at least u can improve the ignition...
plus it got much much better launch control with pom pom pom sound... with fire sumore... haha

 

[dcloo]

use laa that msd...
at least u can improve the ignition...
plus it got much much better launch control with pom pom pom sound... with fire sumore... haha

pom pom pom later something come out from ezos krag krag krag...

 

[dcloo]

I'm thinking MSD for their experience with USDM cars and their experience with extremely modified applications, and well, I just like their design of the stuff. The MSD billet distributor for honda I like, with the hall effect sensor and external ignitors and coil, yet still gives a roughly stock system look. After all, the only problems we usually have is with the coil and ignitors, so with those problems addressed, I don't see what's wrong with a stock looking setup.

They're both multiple spark systems, and with claims of increased low end torque, but I wonder how far this is true, because you don't see major car makers implementing multiple spark systems.

Maybe I'm just a doubter.. but well, until I try it, can't really say more.

Post in ZTH of your experiences, regardless of which system you choose. I'd like to know if it's possible an Ultra MDI unit working as it should on a high hp, non standard setup as well.

thats was the 2 model on my hand n dunno which to choose n the MDI 4 coil system
if test 1 by 1 on dyno test its will cost very high n need to take very long time to fine tuned

http://foto.home.net.my/img/14747/pic_image028.jpg
http://foto.home.net.my/img/14746/image027.jpg

 

[shiroitenshi]

I don't mean test both.. I meant if you choose one, let me know how it goes.

I'd like to see an MDI unit working properly in a non standard setup, because the ones my friends uses doesn't work on non-standard setups, but works fine in a B18C.

Ultra is a bit too well known for them to have useless products, so I'm guessing something went wrong somewhere with the two previous units my friends used. Just want to know if I/they missed something in terms of setting up the MDI.

You got so many MSD units, for sale or personal use? :envy: :P

 

[hattech-v]

6AL 2 is enuf laaa...