microtech vs haltech

[nakal_7]

what is the different between both of them? pro and con.
let say microtech LT10s and haltech E6x.
microtech LT12s and Haltech E11v2 :?: :?: :?:
wich one better? :Not_Impressed:

 

[Daihatsu Mira]

hmmm...i also wanna listen to this lah...
anyone can show us

 

[rollakid]

haltech more expensive than microtech.. huhuhuhu.. thats one of the diff..

 

[insane_ian]

hahah this is like Ryu VS Ken in street fighter man...

I'm all eyes on this thread....

 

[nakal_7]

one of it, haltech have a closed loop but not microtech. the price difference not so much slightly. i was thinking to get one of those thing but dont know which one better and good. i've had compare all those functionlity that have on every EMS. but still cant decide which one better. like microtech have integrated map sensor but not for haltech, so what the difference pro and cons bout this? is it better integrated or .... and why?... and a lots of thing getting around in my head to think and compare and study bout this. what about the support from the dealer?

microtech, we have to upload the mapping for the car first to the EMS than we touch up the setting. but if we want to use it to others car like evo transfer it to subaru, then we have to change the mapping again but have to pay and it takes a week to do it. correct me if im wrong.

haltech, we have to start from scratch. and the function are like a little bit difficult and seems not user friendly. and what i've have known that it is (22 x 32) for E6x.
and (32 x 32) for E11v2. and both of it have the closed loop for fuel and boost control. so......

donno lah which one ....

 

[nova]

haltech more expensive than microtech.. huhuhuhu.. thats one of the diff..

Hopefully, it wont be a case of "you pay peanuts, you get monkeys".:regular_smile:

 

[nova]

like microtech have integrated map sensor but not for haltech, so what the difference pro and cons bout this? is it better integrated or .... and why ....

My fren told me that if you can get the map sensor the closer to the engine, the more accurate and response rate of your map sensor reading. So, unless you want to put your EMS computer inside the hot and greasy engine compartment so as to be closer to the source or manifold, you are better off with a NON integrated map sensor. Of course the integrated map sensor is cheaper lah but you pay peanuts to get monkeys.:regular_smile:


As for the question of transferability, if you want to transfer from your evo to even an aeroplane that works on EFI system, you have a much better chance with the "flexible" EMS because it allows you to configure to many kinds of triggering systems. Most standalone should allow the user to do this. But for those who dont know about the tech, it becomes "unfriendly". It is like configuring your laptop for the first time so that you can start browsing the internet via TMnet isp and when you bring the laptop abroad to another country, I am sure you will have to reconfigure your laptop so that you can browse under the isp of the country you are in. No point to buy a laptop that is fixed for use with TMnet in Malaysia. The same reason for buying an EMS too.:regular_smile:

 

[Battousai]

Microtech is designed with race vehicles in mind. Race cars don't need to run closed loop because they're on full throttle all the time. They don't need a lot of resolution, because they're on full throttle all the time. If you're a dragger and max hp is your concern, then Microtech is the EMS for you.

If you're into track racing and fast road, then you want a Haltech. Its more expensive but it has double or more resolution of the Microtech, for more precise tuning on part-throttle applicatins. It runs closed-loop to save fuel on cruise for street use.

At the end of the day, it's the tuner that makes all the difference. So don't flame me saying "I install Haltect but my engine is suck and veli yumseng petrol but still no power"

 

[cuscostrutbrace]

I would go for Haltech anytime,far more better controls for various condiitions

 

[nova]

If you're into track racing and fast road, then you want a Haltech.

does it mean that Haltech not so good for drag racing use?:regular_smile:

 

[Battousai]

its overkill for drag racing, on an amateur level anyway.

 

[dolly]

closed loop o2 is for people who do not want to tune their cruising and idling areas properly. If you do tune it properly (AND dont forget your temperaturec compensation tables) then closed loop o2 is redundant, infact it may be more beneficial to use open loop in this case, since most ems uses P+I algorithm, a small change will cause the whole damn thing to oscillate. With my aem, i turned off closed loop o2 for cruising.

In that regard, both microtech and haltech are both pretty similar, one MAJOR plus for haltech, is the GUI and the need (or lack of in haltech's case) for a dongle to tune/store maps.

AFAIK, both e6x and microtech units have built in map sensor, but with the looong... loooong vacuum hose transient response in MAP might be a problem, it wasn't when i was using microtech.

 

[Joeker]

Yes, Wat Battousai said is accurate.

Haltech runs close loop. If you are a street car.

If you're a full time race car, Microtech will suit your bill, literally speaking as Haltech cost much more than Microtech..

Haltech E6* also has many complimentary features like launch control, ALS, AIC, Overboost, EBC, sequential shift light, etc, etc,

 

[Daihatsu Mira]

Microtech is designed with race vehicles in mind. Race cars don't need to run closed loop because they're on full throttle all the time. They don't need a lot of resolution, because they're on full throttle all the time. If you're a dragger and max hp is your concern, then Microtech is the EMS for you.

If you're into track racing and fast road, then you want a Haltech. Its more expensive but it has double or more resolution of the Microtech, for more precise tuning on part-throttle applicatins. It runs closed-loop to save fuel on cruise for street use.

At the end of the day, it's the tuner that makes all the difference. So don't flame me saying "I install Haltect but my engine is suck and veli yumseng petrol but still no power"

haha...true...

 

[insane_ian]

This is a good thread...I'm learning....
Keep it up guys....

My point i personally feel that Haltech is more $$$ but in the long run it saves you FC on daily use whereas Microtech has more points on full on power...

My lil point..in what i think...

 

[nova]

This thing about security password to unlock access to the maps has created untold tensions between customers and tuners. The tuners I have heard normally keep the password without letting the customers know. No problem if there is no trouble with the tuning. However, as soon as the customer is not satisfied with the service and the customer wanted a second opinion from another tuner, the issue crops up because the first tuner does not want or could not be bothered about giving out the password. May be this goes against "professional ethic" but as it goes, there is no writen codes of ethics for theses practicioners in the market unlike doctors who are governed by their professional institution and by the government licensing authorities.

So, if your ems has such a security feature, make sure you only have the password and your tuner cannot change your password. Your tuner may claim "concern" about you busybody go and change the settings inside without him knowing it and if anything goes haywire, he ends up being blamed. Well, the good side of having an unprotected ems to the tuner is that the tuner can also argue that since it is an unprotected ems,to be fair, there is no guarantee that the ems wont be acessed by anyone after the car gets out of the door. Eventually, it is still back to having an unlocked ems for the long term benefit of the customers and the tuners. Just my 2ct.:regular_smile:

 

[cuscostrutbrace]

You mean if we bought the ecu,the password is set by the tuner not us,or the password is given to the tuner by the ems manufacturer,please enlighten us..

 

[nova]

You mean if we bought the ecu,the password is set by the tuner not us,or the password is given to the tuner by the ems manufacturer,please enlighten us..

I am no tuner nor dealer of ems but speaking from some common sense.:regular_smile:

At least try to learn how to access the ems and about creating and saving the password yourself even though you don't have a clue on how to tune your car. If the tuner is also the seller, insist on having the password from him and change it yourself later if you feel uneasy about the tuner's service. For a start, try to be a proud owner of a laptop first, or you can make a long cable that connects the ems to your home PC or borrow your fren's laptop if you can't afford a laptop now.

If you are keen on learning about tuning your car yourself, all the more reason to have the password, if any, so that you can access your ems mapping any time you want. I can't see why manufacturers can argue that they have to lock your ems and only allow authorised dealers and their appointed tuners to have the password and not the owner-customers. But don't push responsibility to the tuner after you change his mapping.:regular_smile:

 

[metoxide]

Some ems allow several maps to be programmed and selectively locked. This allows Tuners' maps which is by right their intellectual property to be locked in while standard maps from manufacturer to be accessible. Please understand that real tuners spent hundreds of dynohours to come up with their maps. I sure as heck don't want some enterprising customer to start pirating the map I sold him.

 

[cuscostrutbrace]

izzit real tuners spend hundreds of hours tuning our car,mostly i've seen only 2-3 hours for dyno time and thats it,if want to tune more,another charge..izzit?