Dyno Test Myth

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ok after spark plug cable myth, now we got another myth to solve....

is it true that the dyno machince can be tweaked to get a higher figure?
and is it all dyno machine like dynojet, hyperpower etc using the same standard?
what makes the result most of the time different from one shop to another?

can i build my own dyno machine n later i run it using my own standard?...
i'm looking at 250atw b16... kekkekeke... last q j/k
 
dynojet's software got a few versions u know....
can tweak or not ar? there's a few figures that they need to enter before dynoing ur car...so if they enter some figures that can show u a higher hp than ur actual hp....who knows? haha....

this is my suggestions...

1. go dyno in a few different shops n see the differents. make sure ur car has the same setting.better go in the same day...make sure the temperature of ur oil n engine is about the same. ask them to enter the same "forgot wat's the term" no.

2. always go to a same shop if u really wan to know the differences between ur setups....
 
From what I know.. there are two types of dynos, the inertial dyno, and the load dyno.

Dunno exactly how they work, but from what I know, the inertial dyno is (usually) the single roller type (there are duals, but most are single, I think!) and the load dyno is usually the dual roller type (for each front/rear wheel).

Each manufacturer of dynos have their own way of determining horsepower (complex maths... of calculating drum size, friction loss, etc. etc. I don't understand at all!!) so dyno's from different makes will in fact give different readings.. (dunno how much exactly, but shouldn't differ too much, since the there are only a few variables that might cause different readings.. drum size, weight, etc.) But I don't really know for sure.

For a load dyno, it needs to be calibrated for every car, since due to tire widths and possible pinching of the tires, there is a possible drag factor (which is why it should be calibrated every time a different car gets onto the rollers.) It works by applying load via giant brakes (you usually can see them at one end of the rollers) so you can keep a constant rpm (at different throttle positions) and play with fuel and ignition settings.

For a inertial dyno, apart from (usually) having one roller.. I have no idea how it works, so you're on your own there.

But I do know for sure that dyno results can be skewed or twisted to show higher than normal performace numbers... really depends on how 'honest' the operator is.

Although it shows different numbers, in the end, it's just a tool to help tuning with less emphasis on hp numbers. (imagine trying to tune at 120kmh on public roads, with a helper strapped in front of the car/in the passenger seat trying to read/change the numbers of the computer screen while the outside guy checks for any engine abnormalities (dipstick flying out, etc. etc) as the car speeds past a turn... ROFL!)
 
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what i can see is few parameter will be entered before the dyno run.. if not mistaken, its the
1.spark plug rating (firing rate)
2.tyre rating

other than that not sure...
 
The most varying factor for Hp output from dyno machine is... ATMOSPERIC CORRECTION..

Normally they only put YES.... but how much is the factor... 10%...20% we dont know. This will give a big different...

250whp if 30% applied... act its only 175whp... ha ha
 
lilvee said:
The most varying factor for Hp output from dyno machine is... ATMOSPERIC CORRECTION..

Normally they only put YES.... but how much is the factor... 10%...20% we dont know. This will give a big different...

250whp if 30% applied... act its only 175whp... ha ha

owh.. like that this is the most important thing to look in...
have to ask the dyno operator after this before running the dyno....

or perhaps, asking ur fren "what is ur atw hp n how much the atmospheric correction?" just to know the actual hp haha...
 
Em... interesting topic... I know there are not many dyno shop in KL. Which one u guys think it's most accurate and highly recommended?
 
the important thing is the the humidity and the smoothing factor.
 
the humidity is automatically calculated rite?
smoothing factor refering to what aaa?

sample of summary

Run Type : RO
Run Conditions : 1007.25mBars Humidity 66% SAE 1.02

some of it got ambient correction
 
ha ha hey hattech, myth are for bigfoot lar. this dyno not myth, more like TWEAKED by the owners. haha
 
lilvee said:
The most varying factor for Hp output from dyno machine is... ATMOSPERIC CORRECTION..

Normally they only put YES.... but how much is the factor... 10%...20% we dont know. This will give a big different...

250whp if 30% applied... act its only 175whp... ha ha
Yeah.. forgot that.. seems like the closer to sea level, the engine will run lean, and at higher than sea levels the engine will run rich.., so horsepower will differ with altitude (applies to real life too, not just the dyno numbers) usually this number only set once, during the initial installation of the dyno what? (unless the dyno keeps getting moved around, today, at klang valley and tommorow on top of banjaran titiwangsa.) Ha ha!

Anyway, dyno numbers mean crap, since in the US, where they have weight classes for drag racers, car with low whp can beat high whp cars.

From what I know, torque (power band) + gearing = acceleration. Hp is something like the total power generated, without caring for the overall power band.

Numbers to boost your ego, in other words. Then again, I'm not that knowledgable, so I could be wrong.. but from what I learnt up to now.. I think the above is true.
 
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summary,
stick 1 1 dyno/shop only if u wanna know wether ur latest mod gain u any hp o not.....i dun dyno...i usually do 0-400m sprint after every tweak...everytime on d same stretch,same launch technique,same shift point......thn study d time sheet.. =)
 
got any black box for car or not.. which can capture throtle reading, gear shift point, max rev... n oso timing... n bla bla bla.. hehe
 
akuma very good at bluffing ho? hahahahaah.....

then whose 7.5 was that on the dyno machine few months ago? hhahahaa...sorry la....terbongkar ur rahsia.....haha

yup shiro, hp not that important, of course the higher hp the better but it's all depends on the car's torque, weight, gear ratio, suspension setup n driver's skill.
 
hattech-v said:
how much aaa dyno machine cost? hehe

Why? Want to get one to put it in your office? Then can dyno everyday is it? :_:
 
hattech-v,
i tot der r gizmos out der dat can data log..namely Hondata?can right?
 

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