double welding.. against JPJ law?

[DJ-LanEvo3]

I'm thinking of doing some double welding job inside

the engine bay.. not fully but for certain parts..

but the thing is I need to go for inspection.. I've heard

that they will scan our car once whether the halfcut itself

was welded into another body or something..

I've heard from somebody that welding job is illegal..

but there are too many rumors and so on.. so I can't

really figure it out.. what is right from wrong..


Ur precious comments will be much appreciated..

 

[SiRCRX]

Best solution : ask JPJ & Puspakom direct. Don't listen to hearsay ... could be true could be inaccurate could be wrong

 

[zephyr3d]

hmmm.. i went for puspakom test last month... they dont check engine bay welding la..

they checked the A pillar and C pillar to see if itz potong wan or not.

 

[bridgestoneRE711]

during their x-ray inspection . maybe u won't pass .

 

[DJ-LanEvo3]

Yea.. that's true.. If I call them up ask them whether

it's ok or not.. but the thing is I've called them up once..

but last time I've called them few times to ask something

about my car.. they kept giving me this number and that

number and at the end.. they ask me to come over and

ask the stuff in JPJ..

Once I weld it then I cant simply take out or cant take it

out at all.. that's why.. hm..

What about for certain part? not for all...

let's say what if I had accident so they weld some parts?

How about this case huh?

 

[Joeker]

JPJ's main concern is "kereta Sambung".

Inexperienced JPJ officers stereotype any sort of welding on the seams and chasis of a vehicle as "kereta sambung" welding.

Double welding itself is not illegal.

If double welding is illegal, then the 1996 FIA Homologated Proton 1.8 Special Edition and the Satria R3 will be banned because both these vehicle have double welding on their seams and chasis.

 

[faisal]

JPJ's main concern is "kereta Sambung".

Inexperienced JPJ officers stereotype any sort of welding on the seams and chasis of a vehicle as "kereta sambung" welding.

Double welding itself is not illegal.

If double welding is illegal, then the 1996 FIA Homologated Proton 1.8 Special Edition and the Satria R3 will be banned because both these vehicle have double welding on their seams and chasis.

During the developement of the Satria R3 double spot-welding was specified for the car in certain areas.

During homolgation presentation with JPJ and DoE ( For road legality, noise and emmisions) the car was presented to JPJ officials and the double spot-welds were highlighted, the advantages and process during manufacturing. The offices were impressed as it made the vehicle stronger and added to the active safety of the vehicle.

No mention of it being illegal.

 

[DJ-LanEvo3]

That's right.. especially the good example is
This new stria R3.. it's double welded. I red it from the
megazine as well....
but the thing is.. which part am I supposed to double weld?
I need to discuss with my workshop first but anyway
I won't double weld whole engine bay but for certain parts
only... any recommendation? it's because of crack thingy.
I've heard that turbo engine is too strong for proton cars
so the chasiss will get stressed by it then it will start cracking.
However the thing is I've just only heard that happen but... I've never seen actual cracks.

 

[artraider]

During the developement of the Satria R3 double spot-welding was specified for the car in certain areas.

During homolgation presentation with JPJ and DoE ( For road legality, noise and emmisions) the car was presented to JPJ officials and the double spot-welds were highlighted, the advantages and process during manufacturing. The offices were impressed as it made the vehicle stronger and added to the active safety of the vehicle.

No mention of it being illegal.

so.. where should i double spot-welds my satria 1.5 :cool:
how much will it cost? any recommend workshop?

 

[bridgestoneRE711]

i knnow some car are double welded .
but this one not original cdouble welded. during x-ray test ,the result will be differenct .

 

[bridgestoneRE711]

about the body ...
only 1.6 chassis can withstand the engine properly . 1.5 and 1.3 basically are the same body , although u might not feel the difference . but ... it is not good for transplant.

 

[DJ-LanEvo3]

I just wonder...

I've heard that 1.3-1.6 chasiss are same but 1.8 is different.
Is there any written information that I can read plz?
Because there are too many stories so I can't really figure out
which one is the correct one..
As we know.. Stria R3 has doulbe spot welded... I red it
with my own eyes.. but there are only rumors but not
actually fact that 1.3-1.5 and 1.6 chasiss are different.

 

[zephyr3d]

frankly i did double welding on my engine bay coz my car's really aging... i had crack once at the engine bay near the mounting.

so i sent for rewelding, strengthening ... and then my engine blew.. change new engine and went inspection again.

ok wot.. they still pass me wit regular inspection.

 

[DJ-LanEvo3]

frankly i did double welding on my engine bay coz my car's really aging... i had crack once at the engine bay near the mounting.

so i sent for rewelding, strengthening ... and then my engine blew.. change new engine and went inspection again.

ok wot.. they still pass me wit regular inspection.

Thanks bro.. finally someone gave me the answer that I

needed... plz Wish me luck..

 

[prodigy]

I fully agree with you guys that double welding makes the car much stronger. The thing is, JPJ cannot just go out and make a public statement saying that from now on double welding is legal. The problem happens when everyone starts to double weld their car and for all you know, cheapskate workshops do a shoddy job and fuck up the welding and overall structure of the car. When a fatal accidents happen, then everyone makes a big deal out of it.

So the issue of double welding is more of a grey area. If you're unsure, its best to keep the car stock standard and drive like an angel. If you think you want a better chasis, just do it. If you ask JPJ, high chances they'll say its illegal. To them, anything that is not stock standard is illegal and they won't give a fuck whatever modifications you did that will truly make your car a much safer car. They play by the rules as simple as that. But then as i said there's grey area. If you go ahead and do it, i doubt you'll be caught as its not easy to detect a double welded chasis unless you take a close look and careful inspection.

 

[DJ-LanEvo3]

I fully agree with you guys that double welding makes the car much stronger. The thing is, JPJ cannot just go out and make a public statement saying that from now on double welding is legal. The problem happens when everyone starts to double weld their car and for all you know, cheapskate workshops do a shoddy job and fuck up the welding and overall structure of the car. When a fatal accidents happen, then everyone makes a big deal out of it.

So the issue of double welding is more of a grey area. If you're unsure, its best to keep the car stock standard and drive like an angel. If you think you want a better chasis, just do it. If you ask JPJ, high chances they'll say its illegal. To them, anything that is not stock standard is illegal and they won't give a fuck whatever modifications you did that will truly make your car a much safer car. They play by the rules as simple as that. But then as i said there's grey area. If you go ahead and do it, i doubt you'll be caught as its not easy to detect a double welded chasis unless you take a close look and careful inspection.

U r right.. today I've called JPJ and asked him, firstly whether
double spot welding is legal or illegal. The JPJ fella told me
it's illegal, so I asked him back. What about case of accident so that I need to doulbe spot welding then he answered me that they had already distributed their welding guide line to those workshops under insurance claims and asked me to call 'Road Transfer' bargin counsiler for further technical inquiry but I couldn manage to get them today. (Never picked up the phone).
Finally I asked him that what about Stria R3 which comes
with double spot welded condition then he replied it's considered original contion so it's out of this story.

Weird and sad thing is he mentioned double spot welding is
illegal but follow by their guide line it is legal.......
It's sad thing that I only can get this unclear answer only...

 

[dev]

to JPJ everything seems to b illegal if it doesnt come stock from the factory... like HID also, last time nothing now, its illegal... cause they need money to pay their stuff bonus gua, so its not point mentioning to them bout the R3, they will say its legal cause its factory welded... so safe ur energy, wait for sumtime n things will calm down like the tinted issue also last time... when need money, they bla bla bla... like empty tin, good 4 nothing.. http://zerotohundred.com/newforums/images/icons/icon10.gif

 

[prozac]

I think JPJ/Puspakom are more concerned about double welding without proper planning and not following guidelines.

If proper R&D is done, double welding is a good compromise; something between a normal car and a rollcage. But if not done properly, you'll have strong and weak points in the chassis. The strong parts will definately hold out during stress or impact, but at the same time, the weak points will suffer more since they're now forced to withstand extra stress than before. And if you play too much with the chassis, you may "disable" the crumple zones and endanger yourself during an accident. Just my 2 sen.

 

[prodigy]

Of coz the R3 is legal in ever sense simply because its factory double welded. Anything that comes from the factory is legal and been fully tested and accredited to be safe for public use. We cannot just call up the JPJ and compare why the R3 is legal compared to our workshop welded car. The procedures to weld probably has been approved by the authorities where else our common workshop welding definitely isn't. Besides, not every workshop is capable of doing good welds. I've seen many workshops using totally different welding electrodes/wires to weld onto the car. And the welding process and techniques they use are totally wrong.

As i said, this is a grey area. You can double weld your chasis and you can be a very happy guy when nothing happens. But if you get into an accident and the authorities found out that you double welded you car, you'll definitely get into trouble even though the cause of the accident isn't because of the welding. You always need a scapegoat to lay the blame on.

 

[auxoura]

w00t

weld now worry later