Ch'ng my Old School KE35

[skyline86]

Hi guys,

i have just get a Toyota Old school KE35, everything in stock, wish ask ur guys opinion how can i start the project? temporary i just want maintain stock engine, but those boost, breaks(currently in drum), sports rims, spoiler, painting, rubbers...........

1. Welding all the underneath (how much u think it cost?), change sub frame? (subframe abit crack, if want to change subframe, do u guys think may as well change 4AGE?how? budgeting..)

2. engine overhale, touch up, gasket, spark plug, plug cable, host...
may be like this, simple mod but powerful
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/144/ke20engine1dh.jpg

3. change drum -> disc break.. what servo u guys suggest? normal WIra one? or ? any toyota one to recommend? anyone selling or giving out his servo? i don mind go ur place take, haha

4. wiring - this one i got wireman can gao dim for me.

5. painting - must according to grant color? if i just don care about the grant is it ok? since this consider old school...

6. change all the underneath boost, door rubber, windscreen.... tinted... recaro, carpet.. all this can easily gao dim..

7. sports rims... im sure get one nice nice one... again anyone selling??
sth like this old school rims may be?

8. back seats ill remove n put in 2 12" woofer... this also i can gao dim.
sth like this
http://www.abal.com.au/lachlan/cars/ke35/img/ke35_15.jpg
http://www.abal.com.au/lachlan/cars/ke35/img/ke35_14.jpg

9. Aircon... must open up all and re-fix it.

10. long time ago i got a BMW electrical fan left, which cost me about 1.5k (damn expensive), don have BMW, so will fix into this KE35...

in conclusion, i just want to turn my car into sth like this...

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/594/img23374if.jpg

or
http://www.garagedori.com/members/karls/KE35/side_high_mini_hero_86bg.jpg

I just wanna Ch'NG my car up :)) need advices from all sifus here... thanks.

Cheers...

- skyline86 -
Drifting is'nt for money, then for what?

 

[rollakid]

lol the CAI in the first pic damn cool lar XD

price wise i'm not very sure lar.. and my experience not much, but there's a few things i would do if i were you:

- if you want power, no point sticking with k series engine since it will not bring you far
- for better braking, just change the master brake cylinder to ae86's. there is no need to change the disc (imho lar..) if you didn't do hard braking all the time and the ori disc can cool down fast enough.
- stick with rear drum if it is providing enough braking, and i read from a dragster tech article last time saying some dragster stick with drums cuz it cause less friction(??? me also dun really understand) and they brake with paraschute anyway.
- i'll stick with the ori paint
- upgrade the suspension
- rim can hunt in chopshop
- no need remove backseat, just use like in the pic, put woofer in the boot, and put your groceries in the backseat.

 

[sbirdz]

Er...what is sub frame r? ^_^ haha!! sorry r.. but then i answer becoz i also owner a KE20... well, not as sporty as KE35 due to the BLARDY 4 doors vs 2 DOORS design... :cry_smile:

my opinion is, 7K series engines, mounting remain same... and i think it is much more cheaper.. but 1.8cc upgrading is a headache... or there is a version 5k series which is just 1.3cc... yet.. i believes plug in weber still won't be enough...

2nd choice is, 4age + weber, less wiring
brakes, as i know my original ones, is gosh!~ balls gots drop out everytime if i got itchy and kejar people ass... and ended up.. dropping gears till bottom 1st gear... and creates a lock brakes... if not.. bye bye long time ago...

colors, no idea... ^_^ but skyline86, :D after u do all the body parts rebuild back... u can choose any colors ma.. but as i know, since it is an old school car.. you really have to find a specialist 80's ketuk besi uncle... else youngster i think they might not up to this challenge leh...

as for ur interior, ^_^ last time i asked a place, the uncles can find back ALL My windscreen crome bar, my bumper crome ALSO :D haha!!, then i even asked him to add up my fender to this design... and he say yes... no problems.. but too bad... i got sudden plan changes which i dragged out myself an AE101... so project abandoned now... ^_^

here is some pictures... maybe it will helps u out.. ^_^

this first is my KE20... :)

then here is what i was originally planning to do with the fender.. after i change the rim to 15"/ 14"...

there are 3 parts of custom steel design which needed to be done here, the fender extend magat, something like Satria GTi, and then the front lips, which is also custom design by steel piece... and the rear spoiler... GOSH!~ I won't be able to figure out where to find this for sure...

basically this is how i am planning to do my car... but 15k - 20k... it is as hard as earning jackpots le....

 

[rollakid]

sbirdz,

bro, 7k i know can go in no prob, and the yankees are plonking in 7K into their kp61. but prob is the fuel consumption scary, and its more of a low end torque engine, won't go fast one.

5k engine is not 1.3liter, its 1.5liter, 4k is 1.3liter.

carb for sure less wiring, but then i prefer mikuni carb over weber for daily use since according to club4ag.com, mikuni can tolerate wider range of power band, where weber can only tuned for a narrow powerband, which makes all other rpm's response kinda suck, but i'm not weber player lar, need to ask those weber sifu here.

and bad thing about these side draft carb is that there is no computer, everything tuned manually, so there is no o2 or temp sensor that can make it auto adjust to perform optimumly. that is why those ppl with 4 season might need to tune their carb 4 time a year to compensate for the weather change, some even need to tune their carb when they go to different altitude (imagine you tune your carb at workshop, then run up genting, then the engine getting less and less power cuz its manual tuned). some even need to tune the carb to get the car started. but thats racing carb lar.. normal carb is more forgiving.

lol i like the "ketuk besi uncle"

 

[skyline86]

hi guys,

thanks for the info, how much it cost for a 5k engine? as original is 1.3 written in grant, to 1.8 i guess is abit problem in JPJ.... or may be 4AGE? SR20 too expensive i ask around 6-7k... and how much it cost if i just buy a AE86 servo first? but i guess buy a half cut one time is much more worth.

i saw some australian forum specially for Toyota Old school, lot types of engine, 3k, 4k, 5k, 7k... wats the different actually?

anyway, i found a "ketuk besi uncle" in Kulim, Kedah, his char very "uncle", he say the car need put there half year, and all in total RM3700!! walaueh... just welding underneath only... but his work really nice as my friend Merc W123 done there, u scold him, he also do it slowly..

 

[rollakid]

hi guys,

thanks for the info, how much it cost for a 5k engine? as original is 1.3 written in grant, to 1.8 i guess is abit problem in JPJ.... or may be 4AGE? SR20 too expensive i ask around 6-7k... and how much it cost if i just buy a AE86 servo first? but i guess buy a half cut one time is much more worth.

i saw some australian forum specially for Toyota Old school, lot types of engine, 3k, 4k, 5k, 7k... wats the different actually?

anyway, i found a "ketuk besi uncle" in Kulim, Kedah, his char very "uncle", he say the car need put there half year, and all in total RM3700!! walaueh... just welding underneath only... but his work really nice as my friend Merc W123 done there, u scold him, he also do it slowly..

yes 1.3liter -> 1.8liter do give some problem. 4age fits in no prob about the displacement. sr20 is 2liter engine, so displacement wise, its a headache already, not to mention engine from different make also give some headache in term of paperwork. my 86 master brake cylinder cost me rm180 recond, very happy with it so far. ae86 halfcut is rare and expensive too, most of them got hunted by ke70 owners.

3k 4k 5k 7k are all K series engine. there are k and 2k engine too but you won't see much of it. 3k is 1166cc, marketed as 1.2liter, 4k is 1290cc, marketed as 1.3liter. 3k and 4k has the same bore, but 3k have shorter stroke, so they look identical outside. 5k is 1.5liter and 7k is 1.8liter respectively. all of them are pushrod overhead valve engine.

it is said that 4k engine revs better than 5k, although some goes for the bigger 5k engine for more torque, but i read from number of places that people choose 4k for racing. some cheap mods on both 4k or 5k would be to use the cylinder head of a 3k engine, it is said that it raises the compresion ratio instantly, thus more respond and power.

 

[trdturbo]

congratulations to skyline86, he finally manage to get one ke35 with cheap price.
About the welding, I can help you to find welding sifoo in Kedah, no worry about the price...sure reasonable one.

But for drifting, your ke35 must modify alot.....like leaf spring, brake drum, axle...etc.

Did u watch Tokyo Drift?? Put RB26 inside ur ke35 since engine bay so big!

 

[skyline86]

rolla kid, i think i may stick back to most common mod which is 4AGE, easier as im quite new also...

trdturbo,
thanks for advice, will call u up in 2 weeks time to c how good the welding uncle is... yes for sure it is alot to modify, my car now even don have wiper.


I just bought a 2 port disc break today, will fix it in soon, slowly build up this beauty...

 

[sbirdz]

wops..haha!! ^^ sorry r..bro rollakid..haha!! well, mine is still running in the 3k series.. 1.2k cc only..gosh!~~ :S

hmn... racing carburator... never seen one before..or should i say i never do deep research onto carburator... but heard weber stories from some Old school fiat good buddies... and seen the powers there... hmn.. but yet i dunno how to check our the powerband..coz sit that car, the powers comes after high rpms reach... the higher the better powers get juiced out. ^_^

and.. last time, i asked the closest uncle ketuk besi.. he just charge me rm300-400 for whole body or rewelding.. and er... it also included changing some of those rubber (window rubber)... balbalaa.... then also my side door the rubber protector... something like that lor... and i think he only say that it tooks the most 3 weeks... where got 6 month woh... :S

i just hope and praying everyday that the uncles lives longer..haha!!*not cursing him r*... but he is sort of old already.. i just scared when i got the money he ain't there anymore... -_- sob* sob*..

anyway, skyline86... ^_^ i guess we can only choose AE86... no matter engine, brakes or whatever..haha!! unless u plan to go for supercharger.. then there is a version of levin FR whereby it also cost around this AE86 halfcut...

but as what brother rollakid mentions..haha!! KE70 are hunting those stuff very very closely.... :P coz they just swap in easier...compare to us KE2# - 3# series...whereby long shaft also need to cut shorter..haha!! :P so mini size car..haha!!

 

[rollakid]

lol i know cuz i'm hunting those parts as well. things just get more and more expensive, and acording to my mech's brother who "chop car" at japan and ship it back here, nihonjin dun let anyone chop anymore ae86, cuz its getting less and less and it seems like they want to reserve some for themselves.

so if the info is true, then there shouldn't be any more new ae86 halfcut coming over, unless some got slipped through lar.. maybe from a smaller "car chopper" company, if you really can call them that.

i still need an axle, other than that all other parts got aftermarket one already. prefer a T-285 axle lar.. but T-283 also can lar..

 

[sbirdz]

hahha!! you just make me even sadder now... hahaa..

original ke20's longshaft... brakes... would be enough to within any larger cc or powers... other than AE86 convertion... what else FR choice i have... startlet?... eeee.... aiyoo.... really that bad now..? nvm la.. haha.. later only see la.. if worst goto worst... dump in celica and never re-register... coz it will be a weekend car anyway... -_- *that's the only choice i have*.... :(

 

[rollakid]

if you never want to register it, 1uz-fe is an ideal choice, they are dirt cheap last time cuz no demand, but now price i think raised liau, maybe sky999 will know more about it. but still the price is dirt cheap considering how much power you are getting, summore the engine is detuned at ecu to fix the max ps to 280.

 

[20v_ke35]

Helo....long time see u. So finally u got urself a KE35 eh...goood for ur health. Wow...wow....hold ur horses now. Dont get to excited with ur modded mind. Firstly had u ever drive a FR car before....not in legal speed range that is. No? If not try the stock engine first, the 3k engine, quite fast too. Mine can rev till 7000rpm and top speed reach 160kph. Get the feel first from the chasis. How it move u. Then after u blow the engine (if u can that is), then change to more wild stuff.

my 2 cent...

 

[sbirdz]

Helo.........Mine can rev till 7000rpm and top speed reach 160kph. Get the feel first from the chasis. How it move u. Then after u blow the engine (if u can that is), then change to more wild stuff.

my 2 cent...

^_^ haha... 3k engines... wanna explode r? err.... i tried very hard already.... THE BAKA ENGINE JUST WON'T BLOW!!! dun purposely go and drain the engine oil la.. try to maintain it and then same time insane cow rev it.. u will know what does a K-series engine means.. they just leak!! but never blow... gosh!!! NUTS punya engine... 3 times overhaul until my dad also laughing... saying to me back, u wanna change engine r? haha!! wait this picah first r... and at the end.. becomes AE101 owner... gosh!~~~

err.... anyway, FR vs FF... haha.. the driving feelings comes the best when u do cornering..haha!! :P u feel difference there... and dun panic when it swing tails... you won't berputar that easily ones.. kekeke!!

 

[EG9]

hi guys,

thanks for the info, how much it cost for a 5k engine? as original is 1.3 written in grant, to 1.8 i guess is abit problem in JPJ.... or may be 4AGE? SR20 too expensive i ask around 6-7k... and how much it cost if i just buy a AE86 servo first? but i guess buy a half cut one time is much more worth.

i saw some australian forum specially for Toyota Old school, lot types of engine, 3k, 4k, 5k, 7k... wats the different actually?

anyway, i found a "ketuk besi uncle" in Kulim, Kedah, his char very "uncle", he say the car need put there half year, and all in total RM3700!! walaueh... just welding underneath only... but his work really nice as my friend Merc W123 done there, u scold him, he also do it slowly..

I got 1 AE86 brake servo pump. Still in my AE86 half cut (good condition). Please PM me if u interested. Willing to let go.

 

[EG9]

hi guys,

thanks for the info, how much it cost for a 5k engine? as original is 1.3 written in grant, to 1.8 i guess is abit problem in JPJ.... or may be 4AGE? SR20 too expensive i ask around 6-7k... and how much it cost if i just buy a AE86 servo first? but i guess buy a half cut one time is much more worth.

i saw some australian forum specially for Toyota Old school, lot types of engine, 3k, 4k, 5k, 7k... wats the different actually?

anyway, i found a "ketuk besi uncle" in Kulim, Kedah, his char very "uncle", he say the car need put there half year, and all in total RM3700!! walaueh... just welding underneath only... but his work really nice as my friend Merc W123 done there, u scold him, he also do it slowly..

Current AE86 half cut price is around RM4500-RM5300 depend what other items that come together with the half cut. Damn expensive nowadays.

 

[EG9]

lol i know cuz i'm hunting those parts as well. things just get more and more expensive, and acording to my mech's brother who "chop car" at japan and ship it back here, nihonjin dun let anyone chop anymore ae86, cuz its getting less and less and it seems like they want to reserve some for themselves.

so if the info is true, then there shouldn't be any more new ae86 halfcut coming over, unless some got slipped through lar.. maybe from a smaller "car chopper" company, if you really can call them that.

i still need an axle, other than that all other parts got aftermarket one already. prefer a T-285 axle lar.. but T-283 also can lar..

Why do you prefer T-285 over T-283. T-283 got higher diff ratio.

 

[rollakid]

i thought the ratio is the same? 283 is 4.3:1 2 pinion lsd, 285 also same 4.3:1 but 4 pinion lsd. 282 and 284 is non lsd, while the t-29# is 4.1:1?

if not correct then i'm getting mis information liau lor... again.. but i refer from toysport.com ler..

 

[rollakid]

3 times overhaul until my dad also laughing... saying to me back, u wanna change engine r?

if he says that then forget it liau. K-series engine is like potato one... won't blow at all, mine only overhaul once in 22 years, now engine give to uncle's ke26 wagon, together with the 5 speed gearbox.

 

[EG9]

i thought the ratio is the same? 283 is 4.3:1 2 pinion lsd, 285 also same 4.3:1 but 4 pinion lsd. 282 and 284 is non lsd, while the t-29# is 4.1:1?

if not correct then i'm getting mis information liau lor... again.. but i refer from toysport.com ler..

I got the info from Chin's web site...

http://www.my-acoustic.com/Car/Rear_Axle/LSD_Rebuilt/LSD_Rebuilt.htm

Summary: -

T282 = 4.3 final differential ratio without LSD
T283 = 4.3 final differential ratio with LSD
T284 = 4.1 final differential ratio without LSD
T285 = 4.1 final differential ratio with LSD

not too sure which one correct.