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Blow Off Valve - INFORMATIVE


Definitions

A compressor bypass valve (CPV) also known as a compressor relief valve is a vacuum-actuated valve designed to release pressure in the intake system of a turbocharged car when the throttle is lifted or closed. This air pressure is re-circulated back into the non pressurized end of the intake (before the turbo) but after the mass airflow sensor.

A blowoff valve, (BOV, sometimes hooter valve) does basically the same thing, but releases the air to the atmosphere. This creates a very distinctive sound desired by many who own turbocharged sports cars. Some blowoff valves are marketed with trumpet shaped exits that amplify the "psshh" sound. For some owners this is the only reason to fit a BOV.


Downsides of releasing air to atmosphere
This unique sound sometimes comes at a price. On a car with a mass airflow sensor, doing this confuses the ECU of the car. The ECU is told it has a specific amount of air in the intake system, and injects fuel accordingly. The amount of air released by the blowoff valve is not taken into consideration and the engine runs rich for a period of time.*


Typically this isn't a major issue, but sometimes it can lead to hesitation or stalling of the engine when the throttle is closed. This situation worsens with higher boost pressures. Eventually this can foul spark plugs and destroy the catalytic converter (when running rich, not all the fuel is burned which can heat up on and melt the converter).

Note that engines using a MAP (manifold absolute pressure) system are not affected.


Purpose of Relief and Blow-off Valves
It is used is to prevent compressor surge. Compressor surge is a phenomenon that occurs when lifting off the throttle of a turbocharged car (with a non-existent or faulty bypass valve). When the throttle plate on a turbocharged engine running boost closes, high pressure in the intake system has nowhere to go. It is forced to travel back to the turbocharger in the form of a pressure wave. This results in the wheel rapidly decreasing speed and stalling. The driver will notice a fluttering air sound. In extreme cases the compressor wheel will stop completely or even go backwards. Compressor surge is very hard on the bearings in the turbocharger and can significantly decrease its lifespan. In addition, the now slower moving compressor wheel takes longer to spool (speed up) when throttle is applied. This is known as turbo lag

With the implementation of either a bypass valve or a blowoff valve the pressurized air escapes, allowing the turbo to continue spinning. This allows the turbocharger to have less turbo lag when power is demanded next.


How It Works?

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A blow-off-valve is connected by a vacuum hose to the intake manifold after the throttle plate. When the throttle is closed, underpressure develops in the intake manifold after the throttle plate and "sucks" the blowoff valve open. The excess pressure from the turbocharger is vented into the atmosphere or recirculated into the intake upstream of the compressor inlet.

Tuning adjustable valves
Most aftermarket valves are adjustable leaving customers curious on how to set them properly for their vehicle. Typically the adjustment lies in the spring preload. Here is how to set it.

You want the spring as soft as possible without leaking boost at peak pressure. A spring set too soft and the valve will not close fully resulting in a boost leak and idle problems. Set it too hard and the spring will not open, close too early, and have compressor surge.

Trial and error with an accurate boost gauge is the perfect way to find the right setting for your vehicle.



Blow-Off Valve Info

This article aims to educate the Evo-driving public about compressor bypass valves and blow-off valves.

Definitions:

A compressor bypass valve (CBV) is a vacuum-actuated valve designed to release pressure from the intake tract of a turbo car when the throttle closes.It re-circulates the air back into the intake before the turbo inlet, but after the airflow sensor.

A blow-off valve (BOV) does the same thing, but the released air is vented into the atmosphere.


Purpose of a CBV:
The reason most turbo cars have a CBV is that when the throttle closes and the intake system is under pressure, the high-pressure air entering the motor will bump into the closed throttle plate, and (in the absence of a CBV) a pressure wave will travel back to the turbocharger.The result is that the compressor wheel will stall (a phenomenon known as “compressor surgeE and slow down very quickly.This is hard on the bearings and decreases the turbo's lifespan, but it also means the turbo will take longer to spin up the next time the throttle is opened.

With the CBV in place, the pressurized air in front of the throttle body is released, and the turbo can freewheel happily.When the throttle opens again, the turbo will have a head start and will get up to speed faster, since it never stopped spinning in the first place.


Blow-Off Valves: Pros and Cons
A BOV does the exact same thing as a CBV, but the vented air is released to the atmosphere, causing a loud PSSSSHT!Eventing noise that is distinctive and attention-getting.Many turbo car owners (and people who wish they had turbo cars) love the noise.

The downside of releasing the air to atmosphere is that it has already been metered by the mass air sensor (MAS), and when it blows off the ECU will be injecting the wrong amount of fuel into the cylinders. (The MAS reads ten air units, say, and the ECU tells the injectors to squirt the right amount of fuel for ten air units.But then five of those air units are vented off to atmosphere, and only five make it to the cylinders, and five more have to be drawn from the outside air, through the MAS again) so the engine temporarily runs extremely rich, meaning too much fuel is injected into the cylinders.

This temporary rich condition isn't usually that harmful, but it can cause bucking or hesitation on lift-throttle.If the condition is really bad it can eventually foul spark plugs and even clog the catalytic converter.(Unburned fuel on the cat burns very hot, and too much of it can melt the cat).

You can't vent a stock CBV to atmosphere because the spring setting is too soft, and at idle or part-throttle it will open, which will confuse the MAS and cause rough running, stumbling, and stalling.A stiffer valve (like most aftermarket valves) will stay mostly closed at light vacuum, promoting better behavior when the valve is vented.The downside of stiffer valve spring pressure is that the valve may not open when releasing the throttle from light boost.This can cause some compressor surge (it sounds like a fluttering air noise), and can hinder turbo spool when shifting at light throttle angles.


CBV/BOV Tuning
Adjustable valves have a provision for changing the spring tension of the valve, usually in the form of a screw or a stack of shims for changing the spring preload.Customers often ask us how to set these.The short answer is that you want the valve as softly sprung as possible, while still stiff enough to hold the boost pressure you want to make.If set too soft, the valve will not close correctly the car will idle badly and bog when the throttle closes.If the valve is set too stiff, you will see lots of compressor surge, and the valve will not open at anything less than full pressure, and it will close too early, which defeats the whole purpose of having the valve.Use your boost gauge and your ear to figure out exactly what spring tension your car likes.Another handy tool is a hand vacuum/pressure pump, which you can apply to your stock valve and your aftermarket one to compare their behavior.Start with a spring tension that makes your aftermarket valve behave roughly the way your stock one does, and adjust from there.


BOV Maintenance Notes
The nature of a BOV means it is exposed the elements under the hood, and that means sand, grit, road dust, and other debris can get trapped in the works of the valve.Most aftermarket valves can be disassembled and cleaned.If your valve is jamming or doesn't seem to be working right, carefully take it apart, caution, the spring pressure is pretty strong! Eand clean all the parts.Lubricate the valve with whatever substance the manufacturer recommends, and reassemble.We find this solves 90% of all BOV problems.Some BOV's, like the Blitz model, come with an optional filter specifically for preventing this type of problem.


Recommendation
The best choice for drivability on the Evo is a CBV, which returns the vented air back to the intake.The stock valve works pretty well, although its plastic construction means it may leak a little at high boost levels.If you are going to run higher-than stock boost, you may want to run an aftermarket valve with tighter and/or adjustable spring pressure.

If you really want the noise and attention of a BOV, go for an aftermarket unit.Be prepared for some occasional stumbling and part-throttle compressor surge, but it's nothing most people can't live with.For a lot of our customers, the sheer thrill of that noise every time they get off the gas is worth any minor issues.



More references: http://features.evolutionm.net/article/machvcorner/29
 
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guys..any sifu's here know how to choose a bov..?? i was using a sard racing blow off..hardly 6 months that thing died on me..there's a leakage..so i cant fix it so have to change to a new one..most recommend me to get a long lasting bov..something like sheep dog or blitz and hks..i myself dunno who to listen to..so maybe u experts can give me sum hints..oowwhh i forgot to mention..i'm new to turbo and forced indection..so pls help..thanx guys!!
 
btw , the bov can put auto car anot ?

how loud will it be for a stock car ?
i scare will blow very loud leh ...... den driving it will be "pissed" rather than COOL .....

haha
 
Why we need BOV in the first place? As I understand it, it does more harm than good. and definitely give away a lot of power and torque.

Show me one FIA race car with BOV.... NONE!!

If BOV is so important, weird that i cannot recall garrett, IHI, KKK makes them..

Show me on Turbo fail due to BOV.... PM me.. i really need to know

We are all being made idiots..

Fatty
 
I dont think most of Malaysian sportscars are keen in entering FIA regulations, i appreciate and shall be happy for u .. that ure ambition to make ure car follow FIA regulations. TQ

"Show me on Turbo fail due to BOV" - Google n Yahoo! is your best friend while u on the NET
 
Actullay aftermarket COmpresser Purge valves that blow compressed air into the atmosphere are more for aesthetic (it means SHOW-OFF) rather than praticality

However, under hi-boost application, stock CPV are unable to cope. Aftermarket CPV is needed.

THe choice of aftermarket CPV will make the car either sound FURIOUS OR go FAST....

Engines using Karman airflow sensors (VR4, 4G93 GSR, etc) do not worl well with Aftermarket Atmospheric CPVs (ie BOV).

Such engines need Blow IN Valves (BIV) like the Greddy Type R or S, tec

The design of a BIV do not vent the compressed air into atmosphere, it routes the surge air back into turbo's compressor inlet

Aftermarket CPV also prevents rubber/silicon coupling from popping out of the I/C plumbing during compressor surges under hi boost applications.

So in other words....

- Stock engine and stock boost, stick with stock CPV.

- Modded hi-boost engine, go for Aftermarket CPV / BOV, BIV.

- Modded hi-boost engines with MAF sensor, Aftermarket BIV
 
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here's the 'why do we need the BOV' talk again.my fluids knowledge is very small so feel free to shoot me down. This thread just won’t die, no?

so if the forces of air are SO great to shear off/break a hardened steel shaft, then why cant they bend back a brass 1.6mm throttle plate each time you lift off the throttle?

after some read with good facts, please straighten me out here.
 
here's the 'why do we need the BOV' talk again.my fluids knowledge is very small so feel free to shoot me down. This thread just won’t die, no?

hahahaha.........:biggrin:

the pressure can damage the turbo shaft cos on the turbine side,the exhaust
turn the wheel to the other side while the surge cost the compressor wheel
turn to opposite side.just my opinion lar hks.don't shoot me,k.
 
guys..any sifu's here know how to choose a bov..?? i was using a sard racing blow off..hardly 6 months that thing died on me..there's a leakage..so i cant fix it so have to change to a new one..most recommend me to get a long lasting bov..something like sheep dog or blitz and hks..i myself dunno who to listen to..so maybe u experts can give me sum hints..oowwhh i forgot to mention..i'm new to turbo and forced indection..so pls help..thanx guys!!

look for the valve type 1 like greedy type rs or blitz dd.i think most of the bov
in the market nowadays can last very long time.the sard r2d2 is an old model
already.

btw , the bov can put auto car anot ?

how loud will it be for a stock car ?
i scare will blow very loud leh ...... den driving it will be "pissed" rather than COOL .....

haha

if ur looking for a quiter bov,try n check out blitz type dd with the air filter
like mouth on the front of the bov.it should be quite.sound also depend on
boost.if u run higher boost,it bov will be louder.
 
just a simple tumpang question, whu here uses the Enzo SSQV ? mine keep leak air out =__= !!
 
hahahaha.........:biggrin:

the pressure can damage the turbo shaft cos on the turbine side,the exhaust
turn the wheel to the other side while the surge cost the compressor wheel
turn to opposite side.just my opinion lar hks.don't shoot me,k.

bro, me expressing my opinion also. :proud:
i'm totally understood that its been typed to death on forum pages all over the planet. but the more i read the calculations (not mere facts, physics & math stuff) the more i think it won't hurt the turbine, which i prolly WOULD find out myself.

Many old cars didnt use BOV's, i read there's this 3T-GTE motor out of a toyota carina (jap car) in 1985 that was produced with no BOV, a feller had bought the half cut (story in AU rotary forums), it had been not running a BOV since 1985 and the turbo is still fine!

One last thing: Super chargers dont need BOV's (although so people do run them for wank factor) so why should a turbo? The only difference is that a turbo is driven by exhaust and a super charger is driven by the crank?

If anyone can prove they work, tell the 16 x LeMans 24hr winning engineers at Porsche.
24hr track car, twin KKK K27 turbo's-no BOV"s!
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Here's the video of the car-well worth the 12mb, a must in any car buffs video collection. Tiff Needle doing what he does best!
The turbo flutter is nuts -
http://www.lad.lv/~martini/porsche/Videos/Top_Gear-Porsche_GT1.asf

:stupid:
 
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ok

i stick to stock bov:burnout:

off topic a bit...

and will get an external wastegate instead as music to my ears

external wategate is more impotant right?
 
just a simple tumpang question, whu here uses the Enzo SSQV ? mine keep leak air out =__= !!


Even though is post is already one year old.... I want to vent my anger.
I have stopped totally in supplying those chinese copied crap blow offs, wastegates and such... they are so rubbish it is a waste of precious metals and materials building them. Be it ENZO or BOZO SSQV... all look a like are basically rubbish... they leak, they jam and name me all the problem you'd face.
So.... the bottom line... save money.. biar ORI 2 minggu makan ROTI. NO headache... don't be penny wise pound foolish.
 
what brand n type good for car 2.0 mivec twin turbo running 1.5 bar.now i m used ssqv.now want to change BOV.please advise me.tq
 
I am using blitz bov.Engine stalls after hard revving.Is it common problem?How to solve it?If this problem frequently occured,can it cause a damage to any engine parts?
 

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