Blacktop Sluggish And Lag

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Dear all sifus,

i've just installed a 20v blacktop auto engine. feels super sluggish and got lag when i floor the pedal. how do i overcome this problem? somewhat i felt that my wira 1.8 sohc pick up is even much better than my 4age. any pointers on what to check? please advice....

John
 
Originally posted by john@Apr 24 2005, 01:27
Dear all sifus,

i've just installed a 20v blacktop auto engine. feels super sluggish and got lag when i floor the pedal. how do i overcome this problem? somewhat i felt that my wira 1.8 sohc pick up is even much better than my 4age. any pointers on what to check? please advice....

John
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hv u fine tune ur timing ?
 
i don't think so. can any mech do that?

John



Originally posted by ajnone+Apr 24 2005, 01:29 -->
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@Apr 24 2005, 01:27
Dear all sifus,

i've just installed a 20v blacktop auto engine. feels super sluggish and got lag when i floor the pedal. how do i overcome this problem? somewhat i felt that my wira 1.8 sohc pick up is even much better than my 4age. any pointers on what to check? please advice....

John
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hv u fine tune ur timing ?
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Just bring it to Trial... look for william-san :lol:

Originally posted by john+Apr 24 2005, 01:32 -->
QUOTE(john @ Apr 24 2005, 01:32 )
i don't think so. can any mech do that?

John



Originally posted by ajnone@Apr 24 2005, 01:29
--QuoteBegin-john
@Apr 24 2005, 01:27
Dear all sifus,

i've just installed a 20v blacktop auto engine. feels super sluggish and got lag when i floor the pedal. how do i overcome this problem? somewhat i felt that my wira 1.8 sohc pick up is even much better than my 4age. any pointers on what to check? please advice....

John
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hv u fine tune ur timing ?
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I'm driving BT 20V (M), pick up from 0-3500 rpm my old 4AFE can do a
better job. But once it come above 4000 rpm, u can feel the G-force & its rev happily until redline.
 
Originally posted by john@Apr 24 2005, 01:27
Dear all sifus,

i've just installed a 20v blacktop auto engine. feels super sluggish and got lag when i floor the pedal. how do i overcome this problem? somewhat i felt that my wira 1.8 sohc pick up is even much better than my 4age. any pointers on what to check? please advice....

John
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auto car ma..
 
Originally posted by BLaCkHoWLiNG@Apr 24 2005, 17:24
BT got AT?
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got..last time go ask..mostly left auto..the price is not tht expensive also..
 
check if your speed sensor is connected..... your car will sluggish if you cut your speed sensor wire and also your car will be overheated when you rev it
 
Originally posted by 4agze@Apr 24 2005, 18:53
check if your speed sensor is connected..... your car will sluggish if you cut your speed sensor wire and also your car will be overheated when you rev it
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4agze,

May I know where is the sensor located? Silvertop or Blacktop should be the same right? Sorry ah...newbie.
 
Hey FRIEND,

Sluggish ? you'll feel this .. I felt it too when I did my transplant 2 yrs back, but you will feel it to be different, after a few weeks...
 
Originally posted by jalee+Apr 24 2005, 19:31 -->
QUOTE(jalee @ Apr 24 2005, 19:31 )
--QuoteBegin-4agze
@Apr 24 2005, 18:53
check if your speed sensor is connected..... your car will sluggish if you cut your speed sensor wire and also your car will be overheated when you rev it
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4agze,

May I know where is the sensor located? Silvertop or Blacktop should be the same right? Sorry ah...newbie.
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different location, you need to check the wiring diagram which is available on the internet... :)
 
Halo,

There is no reason whatsoever taht an Auto 4A-GE should be sluggish by design. I myself is currently driving an even older 4A-GE 20V Auto Silvertop and there is no such thing as sluggishness.

So what could be the problem? let's see. I suspect that some sensors are not reading properly, the most common ones are O2 Sensor which is connected to the exhaust header. If the ECU is not getting any proper reading from the sensor it will run in safe mode where ignition timing will be retarded a lot - once retarded engine will be super sluggish and farts black smokes occasionally.

The other one is speed sensor as 4AGZE mentioned. If the speed sensor is not connected properly to the Speedo Meter you will get the same symptom, runing in Safe Mode again. To know if speed sensor is not connected properly - all you have to do is set your gear to N and rev all the way to the Rev Limiter, it should be able to clock 8200RPM as shown on the Denso Speedometer. If it cuts below 7000RPM then you can confirm the problem.

How to know if you are running in safe mode? did u see any check-light on your dash blinks occassionally during driving? Or what u can do is go to a mechanic which is familiar with Toyota diagnostic tools and ask them to do it. I recommend TRIAL Tuning Spirit in Sg. Besi or United Motor in Sunway.

Or, are u sure your ECT-S is able to run in Power Mode? Running Auto 4A-GE in Manual Mode will make it sluggish too.

Ignition Timing, the most common problem is simply that ignition timing is set too low. A healhy 4A-GE should be running a minimum of 11 Degree of Advance Timing. Again this can be checked by a mechanic.

Hope this helps
 
EFN last time mine one also can rev until 8k RPM ler... :D
 
Originally posted by 4agze@Apr 25 2005, 11:25
EFN last time mine one also can rev until 8k RPM ler... https://www.zerotohundred.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif alt='biggrin.gif' />
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Last time u still use 1.3 SE.G RPM Dash. U see 8K RPM but u sure it is 8K RPM? Denso Speedo's are known to be light. It is absolutely confirmed that if Speed Sensor is not connected properly u could not rev over 7K RPM
 
EFN,

Thanks for the advice. My one no blinking when drive. When connect the diagnostics te1-e1, both "check engine" and "od off" light blinks in turn. is this normal?

yes i can rev all the way to 8000rpm. and yes i switch on my power mode.

what else could i check?

John



Originally posted by EFN@Apr 25 2005, 08:20
Halo,

There is no reason whatsoever taht an Auto 4A-GE should be sluggish by design. I myself is currently driving an even older 4A-GE 20V Auto Silvertop and there is no such thing as sluggishness.

So what could be the problem? let's see. I suspect that some sensors are not reading properly, the most common ones are O2 Sensor which is connected to the exhaust header. If the ECU is not getting any proper reading from the sensor it will run in safe mode where ignition timing will be retarded a lot - once retarded engine will be super sluggish and farts black smokes occasionally.

The other one is speed sensor as 4AGZE mentioned. If the speed sensor is not connected properly to the Speedo Meter you will get the same symptom, runing in Safe Mode again. To know if speed sensor is not connected properly - all you have to do is set your gear to N and rev all the way to the Rev Limiter, it should be able to clock 8200RPM as shown on the Denso Speedometer. If it cuts below 7000RPM then you can confirm the problem.

How to know if you are running in safe mode? did u see any check-light on your dash blinks occassionally during driving? Or what u can do is go to a mechanic which is familiar with Toyota diagnostic tools and ask them to do it. I recommend TRIAL Tuning Spirit in Sg. Besi or United Motor in Sunway.

Or, are u sure your ECT-S is able to run in Power Mode? Running Auto 4A-GE in Manual Mode will make it sluggish too.

Ignition Timing, the most common problem is simply that ignition timing is set too low. A healhy 4A-GE should be running a minimum of 11 Degree of Advance Timing. Again this can be checked by a mechanic.

Hope this helps
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John,

What did William-san said about your issue ? Very interested to know also. So sad to hear this when you got your new transplant, hoping to have more power. :(

But I think the sifus here can shed some light too... Hopefully your problem will be resolved soon.
 
yeah it's quite dissapointing. however i was told to drive the car around first. need to be patient apparently.

John


Originally posted by cynicks@Apr 25 2005, 12:53
John,

What did William-san said about your issue ? Very interested to know also. So sad to hear this when you got your new transplant, hoping to have more power. https://www.zerotohundred.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif alt='sad.gif' />

But I think the sifus here can shed some light too... Hopefully your problem will be resolved soon.
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help....my blacktop also very sluggish.....head still at some port shop........ :lol:
 

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